proof that Michael Moore is a Fuckin loser!!!!!

[10DimeBry]

Just the fact that you called me a moron again, as did Frank proves my point about your inability and weakness to let your statements stand on their own.
Your can call my sources one sided;I believe the same is true of yours.
How is Tony and I can have civil conversations without namecalling?
I have my own opinions of both you and Frank, but I will not stoop so low to your level to what you have done with you name calling and personal attacks.

my statements have stood throughout this hole discussion, your the one flip flopping saying its okay for michael moore to lie decieve and tell partial truths but then you basically try to destroy bush when he's done far less of that than moore has done. I called you a moron because you fail to even take in what i'm telling you. You dont even want to entertain the thought. For that Savage, you are a moron. People who are that closed minded are morons. Sorry pal you are. If you think i'm attacking you then i pitty you. Unlike you savage, my father taught me to call it like i see it. Call it like it is. I do that you dont. Thats the differece between you and I. i've read all your statements you've made, and replied accordingly. You on the other hand instead of answering my direct questions you simply avoid the question and spin spin spin it all back on bush and the war. I'm done with this topic. I'm tired of making you look bad on here. And for the final time:
I dont agree with all of what bush has done


PS For someone who gets offended @ being called a moron you say some bad stuff yourself. But i'm sure thats okay cause you can say whatever you want.

Here are a couple of Savage1 highlights:

Cheney caused his daughter to turn gay

Bush is responsable for 9/11 attack

[savage1]

Its interesting that just about everything you said about me applies to you EXCEPT that you are the one who resorted to name calling;the fact that you think Michael Moore has done more harm to this country than George Bush tells me there is no basis for discussion since wer are operatig from premises 100% ahead.
Try for a start responding to those 12 things posted by someone yesterday yesterday showing Bush's shortcomings many of which I had alluded to previously;when I brought those up, all you did was rationalize those away.
If you think you really make me look bad with you manner of debating, name calling rationalizations and inability to see where this country stands ALL things considered(again read over that list of 12 plus my additonal thing added), then so be it.
ps I never directly said that Bush was responsible for 9/11,but at least did watch a cd which stated it could be true.
As stated afterward, I felt evidence was inconclusive, but in this world anything is possible.
I have and will continue to base my statements on empirical evidence of what I see as occurring in this happen, and as ar as I am concerned it isn't pretty or good, and remember "the buck stops here"(meaning Bush and his administration are the persons who are to be held accountable).

[savage1]

[QUOTE=rwall]A fanatic is someone who can't change his mind, and won't change the subject.
-Winston Churchill

I would rather sit at a Dinner table with Barry Bonds and Terrel Owens then Michael Moore. This fucking prick has been sewed before, caught lying and using partial quotes. He is a PRIME example of what is bad about the media.
But to a "fanatic", he's a great man and, according to their words and actions these must be adorning and admirable traits. Because they still defend him.

Savage..if a tout has been uncovered as a fraud you are all over them calling them every name in the book....but you defend Michael Moore.
Where I come from that's called a hypocrite. Your credibility to me is completely shot my friend.

Yeah and I know everything he said in the movie(look at what Monte posted yesterday if you didn't see the movie) is a total lie, and Bill Maher doesn't make any valid points, etc. The point is a that whether Moore told 100% of the truth is not the point;there is PLENTY of TRUTH in that movie which cannot be refuted which exposes Bush as a FRAUD, and a lot bigger fraud than he(Moore) is.
Folks who refuse to watch the movie, Bill Maher and respond directly to the points made in them to me are arguing blindly(because they cannot/won't take the time to refute them) and would instead rather defend "great" men like George Bush based on putting on rose colored glasses and offering rationalizations such as the Dems have no answers and that everything is ok.
As I told 10 Dime, just read the post of those 12 or 13 things which were posted yesterday as the failings of Bush and try refuting them at least in your own mind.

[savage1]

You believe the word of every American soldier no matter what?

People are people

Some lie and some don't

Boy I could not agree with you more on this one!
I also read your other posts, and obviously agree with those also. In addition,you didn't need to resort to namecalling unlike those who must in order to try to strengthen their cases, which in actuality actually weakens them as anyone who has studied debating knows.

[TwoTonTony]

Wrong the last link proves facts

I would like to see you or anyone else disput each fact that is listed with you posting a resource proving that its false.

he is an opportunist........there may be some facts but it is definitely spun to sell....come on....even you can see that..

[The Lovedoc]

This thread is gay

[TwoTonTony]

If a person tells 1 lie then everything else they say is a lie?

You just proved Bush to be a regular liar then.

when someone is caught lying it diminishes their credibility

[TwoTonTony]

LOL the stock market isn't doing great by any means

unemployment numbers are skewed, 20,000 GM jobs just lost

Housing market has been moving up for years

Do you not think Bush has lied any? Or for that matter any Republican?

stock market has been in a 3 year bull run.......

all politicians lie....

it is no politicians fault that gm lost jobs....they were fat cats for years.....paying factory workers ridiculous amounts of money and a pension plan that was out of this world....it has now come back to bite them.....nobody's fault but the greedy union holding the company over the barrel

[TwoTonTony]

That has nothing to with this thread.

Some guys seek women outside of this Country as they have better values, morals etc.

how can you say women outside of this country have better values....that is such a blanket statement....and then you say some people are liars and some are not.......same with morals...some have them and some do not......

I still say there are millions of great women here....if you can not get one....the problem is you.....not them.......

i believe men go out of the country because they can get someone who "needs them"....is that love????

i have never seen people who like to argue about bullshit stuff before in my life

[10DimeBry]

YOU KNOW WHAT HE HASNT MADE ANY MISTAKES



1.Emergency Management (KATRINA,,,9-11?) how are these all his fault??? state and local levels failed to do anything as well.
2.Fiscal Management ( 9 TRILLION IN THE HOLE AND COUNTING THANKS GEORGE) actually he unlike Dem's is pumping billions back into the economy
3.Katrina relief (MOBIL HOMES SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF ARKANSAS 800 MILLION GREAT JOB!!! state and local officials are fighting over locations/who gets what etc.
4. Medicare Drug Program 50 BILLION DOLLAR JOKE, REGISTER STILL COUNTING how exactly is that Bush's fault???
5.IRAQ 300 BILLION MISSION ACCOMPLISHED?????? actually its just about finished. just look around.6.AFGHANISTHAN TALIBAN AND AL QUEDA STILL RUNNING WILD. 75 BILLION- really, where are they? why havent they attacted again?
7. IRAN NOW DEVELOPING NUKES- and because of cry baby left wing Libs like savage we fail to do anything about this
8 TRADE DEFICIT-1 TRILLION THANKS FOR BEING BUDDIES CHINA ---REAL AMERICAN - how is this Bush's fault???
9. ENERGY PRICES DICK CHENEY'S REALLY HURTING HUH???- is he the only one profiting from energy prices? NOPE 10.MILITARY--
UNDERDEPLOYED------OVERUSED AND ABUSED - yes they are, our military deserves better than to be accused and dragged thru the mud by the liberal media bias
11. OUTSOURCING AMERICAN JOBS - really, well that has been going on for 50+ years, but i guess if thats the best you got i'll have to reply

12. CONSTANTLY PASSING TAX CUTS FOR 10 PERCENT RICHEST OF THE COUNTRY----NICE- ah but what you fail to say is that Bush tried to give back $300 tax credit to every family but that got shot down by both dem's and rep.Bush also wanted to eliminate the estate tax and marriage penalty...and incase you didnt know the 10% who got the tax cut were rich americans who are both Dem's and republicans alike. blaming bush solely is total BS

there savage

[savage1]

YOU KNOW WHAT HE HASNT MADE ANY MISTAKES



1.Emergency Management (KATRINA,,,9-11?)
2.Fiscal Management ( 9 TRILLION IN THE HOLE AND COUNTING THANKS GEORGE)
3.Katrina relief (MOBIL HOMES SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF ARKANSAS 800 MILLION GREAT JOB!!!
4. Medicare Drug Program 50 BILLION DOLLAR JOKE, REGISTER STILL COUNTING
5.IRAQ 300 BILLION MISSION ACCOMPLISHED??????
6.AFGHANISTHAN TALIBAN AND AL QUEDA STILL RUNNING WILD. 75 BILLION
7. IRAN NOW DEVELOPING NUKES
8 TRADE DEFICIT-1 TRILLION THANKS FOR BEING BUDDIES CHINA ---REAL AMERICAN
9. ENERGY PRICES DICK CHENEY'S REALLY HURTING HUH???
10.MILITARY--
UNDERDEPLOYED------OVERUSED AND ABUSED
11. OUTSOURCING AMERICAN JOBS
12. CONSTANTLY PASSING TAX CUTS FOR 10 PERCENT RICHEST OF THE COUNTRY----NICE

I would have expanded #7 to say failure to respond to an 18 page letter written by the leader of Iraq to the President in a mature and responsible manner considering the high stakes involved here.
I also would have added one more: belief that he(Bush) is the messenger/earthly representative of God, selected by the Almighty to carry out his(god's) omniscience and will.
If this were true, then, well lets just say I would lose a lot of faith.

[BettorsChat]

when someone is caught lying it diminishes their credibility

It does diminish their credibility, but it doesn't mean that they lie about everything.

[BettorsChat]

how can you say women outside of this country have better values....that is such a blanket statement....and then you say some people are liars and some are not.......same with morals...some have them and some do not......

I still say there are millions of great women here....if you can not get one....the problem is you.....not them.......

i believe men go out of the country because they can get someone who "needs them"....is that love????

i have never seen people who like to argue about bullshit stuff before in my life

You're right the problem is me and that's because I have health problems so I don't get out much. I can tell you this it doesn't have a damn thing to do with what I look like. Try explaining to a woman what I do for a living. They immediately look down at you as a degenerate/bum.

I guess that's my fault though huh.

[BettorsChat]

he is an opportunist........there may be some facts but it is definitely spun to sell....come on....even you can see that..

Nothing wrong with an opportunist as long as they keep it real. I see statements with resources like CNN etc. I don't see anyone disputing the sources.

[TwoTonTony]

You're right the problem is me and that's because I have health problems so I don't get out much. I can tell you this it doesn't have a damn thing to do with what I look like. Try explaining to a woman what I do for a living. They immediately look down at you as a degenerate/bum.

I guess that's my fault though huh.

i was referring to men as a whole....not you specifically.....but there are ways around everything.....looks have nothing to do with it......why do you have to get in depth with a women on what you do??? how about.....webmaster.......computer entrepreneur.....i do not delve what i do for a living with a women immediately.....

it is of little importance.....i am trying to lay a foundation.....create sexual tension, attraction and the "what do you do for a living"......"who was your last boyfriend"....and the regular shit is not part of it......

face it....women have a higher social value (standing) than we do...they can get laid anytime anywhere.....So how do we level the playing field......By increasing our social status.....It has nothing to do with job...etc....It has to do with confidence and being a little cocky/funny.......Most men see a hot chick and immediately kiss their ass....and what are women good at??? picking up on neediness and insecurity......and men exude this when a hot chick is around.....she will put them through "shit tests" ...like watch my pocketbook and so forth.......Men who get flustered and kiss ass are doomed....They are not only not getting laid.....no dates either......For some reason men feel the need to show their cards early......or talk about what they have.....Women do not tick this way.......They are emotional creatures.....they like mystery....spontaneity......etc....They love when a guy pays them little attention and is kind of confident....it makes them think..."hey this guy is kind of funny, he is not into me.....why not.....i am intrigued"....and so the sexual tension starts.....I know this seems like games, but it is how attraction is started.......

Monte---i am no prize...you saw the photos...but i consistently date hot women......some say i have the gift of gab...but that is not it.....I know women....

Here is an example real quick....I was hanging with a hot chick that i met at a st. patty's day party....i was busting on her a little......she then started the regular interview type questions and i say something like, "are these the interview questions they were handing out at the door"? kind of with a smirk......so i say, ok i will play along......then she proceeds to tell me that she is an accountant and i let her finish....I then extend my hand and say, "it was real nice meeting you, but i am a spontaneous guy and like to do things spur of the moment (girls love spontaneity).....and accountants if you do not mind me saying are kind of black and white...and quite frankly a little boring......I like to be passionate about life.....Accountants need everything in order....So it was real nice meeting you......

You may think she would be offended.....but what i was doing was forcing her to validate herself to me....and it played out that way....She went into defense mode and told me every reason why she was spontaneous.....thus elevating my status and reducing hers......She was hot......but they are so used to getting...."you are so pretty"....girls get hit on 100's of times a day.....they have heard the same old same old by just about every guy....they want the guy who is not like that.....


i am not a huge expert, but i do okay.......

all i am saying is their is a way with women that most of us just neglect and then put the blame on women in our society.......they are the kinder and gentler sex....i enjoy being with them alot....