proof that Michael Moore is a Fuckin loser!!!!!

[savage1]

i have dated very religious women and am a devout catholic myself......Why do you assume that the women i date are not top quality????? They are doctors, lawyers, stewardesses, nurses, teachers, accountants, etc.......very fine people.....many go to church weekly....I in fact only date top notch people......It is not just american women who make decisions emotionally.....It is all women......Why do women love to see pics of babies and kids....because it speaks to their emotions......

When it comes to meeting women there are rights and wrongs....That is where you are wrong.....I am out there buddy, you are not........You took the path of least resistent....What you did is hardly dating....You went through service.....

I am sure your bride is great, but do not comment about a field that you have even admitted you have had no success

Ok if we take as a given the types of women you have dated including religious women, then it gets back to the fact that many if not all of the women are/were interested in dating only without any kind of commitment;is that not true?
If it is true, then they probably would not meet MY standards.
If they were interested in a serious relationship and/or marriage and you were/are not and told them so up front, then that is a different story.
Again, I don't like sweeping generalizations that ALL women are emotional;you could say many men act on emotion also.
Sure many women get turned on by looking at baby pictures and kids(not all) just as some men(not all) get turned on by looking at pictures in Playboy-so what?
No offense Tony, and I know this is America, but is having sex with many women compatible with being a devout catholic and the values which catholicism teaches?

[savage1]

ps I respect your opinion a lot, but will never agree that you are in a better or even position than I to evaluate older women(lets say over 50) than I am simply because you haven't been there yet.
I don't agree with your analogy about Tom Brady.
Football is a game played on the field by athletes who have physical skills and proven themselves in that area.
The arena of life is a lot different and many folks change as they get older especially in the manner in which they think for reasons stated. And yes, I do think I am in a excellent position to comment on older folks simply because I am there and you are not.
You may have dealt with many people in your lfe and know what makes them tick, but remember I dealt with thousands of folks in my social service job also for 34 years and am not exactly dumb with knowing about human motivation.

[TwoTonTony]

Ok if we take as a given the types of women you have dated including religious women, then it gets back to the fact that many if not all of the women are/were interested in dating only without any kind of commitment;is that not true?
If it is true, then they probably would not meet MY standards.
If they were interested in a serious relationship and/or marriage and you were/are not and told them so up front, then that is a different story.
Again, I don't like sweeping generalizations that ALL women are emotional;you could say many men act on emotion also.
Sure many women get turned on by looking at baby pictures and kids(not all) just as some men(not all) get turned on by looking at pictures in Playboy-so what?
No offense Tony, and I know this is America, but is having sex with many women compatible with being a devout catholic and the values which catholicism teaches?

you are making assumptions....that all i do is fuck......There is somethings i beleive in the church and some things i do not.....I am a man....I know what makes me tick.....I do not tell a women right away that i am not interested in getting serious....I never know.....She may be the one...who knows....When it gets to the critical juncture is when i respond.....

i never said men do not make emotional decisions...all people do....thats what sales is....but we decipher things differntly.....

I am kind of insulted by your questioning me to be honest.....i went along with all your stuff and wished you good luck with your lady......You act as if that is the end all be all and we are all just not living the right life........

You say you do not make sweeping generalizations, but that is all you do and you have never ever even wavered....You think you are an expert on women....you are not.....Who cares you worked in social services.? what the fuck does that have to do with women???

The only thing you succeeded at is meeting a younger girl from a different country as if it is a skill.......You failed here....and went where women would date a 60 year old......Thats it......You sit from an ivory tower and judge and you bailed out of the game......Do you ever ask yourself, why she would even be interested in a 60 year old from different culture??? What is wrong with the men in her country?? Do they not understand her like you do? or is it because this is the land of opportunity???

Hey, i am happy for you.....but you do not know when to stop....and now you have thrown jabs at me and i take offense to it.....You are a stubborn mother fucker and that is truth....Your views are so narrow it is sickening........I hope you keep this one under lock and key....

your bragging that yours is the perfect thiong and the rest of us are just missing out is tiring.....I guess when i stop getting the amount of pussy i get i will resort to that.....yeah right, that will not happen.....I do not have to pay and refuse to pay....

good luck....i am done with you and your bullshit.....

[MtrCtyPimp]

This thread was the greatest read in quite some time........I dont what 2 say

First off I hate Bush and I know he is dishonest and I am still trying to figure out why we are in Iraq and why that guy even had to lose his limbs for this war?

Secondly I agree with Monte 100%........why did this guy wait for 2 years and of course he is gonna lie to get that 85 MILL

Thirdly I enjoy watching Fox News but I know that it is tilted way too much to the right so I dont take them very seriously

Fourthly Frank you need to calm down BRO........just cuz someone serves this country doesnt give them a free pass and sure he can be called a liar.........I commend all troops because what they do takes enormous courage but if it wasnt for Bush's bogus agenda that man wouldve had both his limbs today......we should never forget the amount of harm this president is causing around the world and in his own country

Fifthly and my favorite part of this whole thread is that Triple Tony is 100% right............chicks are wired different and it takes skill when communicating with women........The ugliest and the poorest guys can get hot women from the sole purpose of having 'game'..........I am married now game doesnt matter but from the sounds of it Savage and Monte have no game..........whether TTT read a book or not what he says is the truth..........its the way a guy comes across is to win........image is everything.........if a guy can make picking trash for a living seem intrigueing chicks would dig em........i love the fishing analogy cuz its so true

Try calling a girl that same night after meeting her and see how far that gets you.........sure that seems nice but it will bite u in the ass so quick

Chicks are wired diff, I dont care if they are 2 or 20 or 60

Excellent thread, its been an eventful night to say the least for me in the forum tonight

PEACE

[TwoTonTony]

This thread was the greatest read in quite some time........I dont what 2 say

First off I hate Bush and I know he is dishonest and I am still trying to figure out why we are in Iraq and why that guy even had to lose his limbs for this war?

Secondly I agree with Monte 100%........why did this guy wait for 2 years and of course he is gonna lie to get that 85 MILL

Thirdly I enjoy watching Fox News but I know that it is tilted way too much to the right so I dont take them very seriously

Fourthly Frank you need to calm down BRO........just cuz someone serves this country doesnt give them a free pass and sure he can be called a liar.........I commend all troops because what they do takes enormous courage but if it wasnt




for Bush's bogus agenda that man wouldve had both his limbs today......we should never forget the amount of harm this president is causing around the world and in his own country

Fifthly and my favorite part of this whole thread is that Triple Tony is 100% right............chicks are wired different and it takes skill when communicating with women........The ugliest and the poorest guys can get hot women from the sole purpose of having 'game'..........I am married now game doesnt matter but from the sounds of it Savage and Monte have no game..........whether TTT read a book or not what he says is the truth..........its the way a guy comes across is to win........image is everything.........if a guy can make picking trash for a living seem intrigueing chicks would dig em........i love the fishing analogy cuz its so true

Try calling a girl that same night after meeting her and see how far that gets you.........sure that seems nice but it will bite u in the ass so quick

Chicks are wired diff, I dont care if they are 2 or 20 or 60

Excellent thread, its been an eventful night to say the least for me in the forum tonight

PEACE

thanks pimp....all you would have to do is watch vince vaughans character in the movie swingers.....that says it all.....

[TwoTonTony]

C'mon tony you have read that book/e-mails that some guy named David something sends out? Your lines sound just like his. It's joking/sarcastic in a jovial way.

i am familiar with him, but it is not the invention of him or anyone else.....he termed the phrase called cocky/funny.......It has been a tactic longer than he has been around.....I have seen his stuff and he is full of what i call the "cheese factor"....i think he is a clown.. (but you seem to know him and i applaud you if you read him....it is a start).......kind of like ross benjamin......i have a good friend who teaches this stuff all over the country.....much classier and real world than these clowns.....And by the way....It does not work 100% of the time on all women...But it changes your mindset to one about them, to one about you.....It is your reality.....not theirs...the end result is not important...to have fun is...the rest falls into place....It just changes your perception of things and lets you out your best self forward.....You would not go to a gun fight with a knife....(Not enough firepower), so why would you approach a woman with no idea of what you are doing.....The i am a nice guy and "i'm the kind of guy" shit does not work....In fact if someone opens up too much and too early with a women they get creeped out........Men put way too much pressure on themselves......Girls want to meet cool guys.....they want to have fun too......But they put men through shit tests and most guys knuckle under....Anyways, who cares.....

just watch vince vaughan in swingers and you will see how and what appeals to chicks......and then there is his friend "the honest sapp" and look what he gets......

all you guys think this shit is rocket science.....I grew up like this...all of my friends were like this from high school on......Someone just came up and now sells it....We were just knock around kids from a tough neighborhood who did not get intimidated by chicks and their beauty......

you guys need to get out there.....it is alot of fun!!! really....women are great....

[BettorsChat]

i am familiar with him, but it is not the invention of him or anyone else.....he termed the phrase called cocky/funny.......It has been a tactic longer than he has been around.....I have seen his stuff and he is full of what i call the "cheese factor"....i think he is a clown.. (but you seem to know him and i applaud you if you read him....it is a start).......kind of like ross benjamin......i have a good friend who teaches this stuff all over the country.....much classier and real world than these clowns.....And by the way....It does not work 100% of the time on all women...But it changes your mindset to one about them, to one about you.....It is your reality.....not theirs...the end result is not important...to have fun is...the rest falls into place....It just changes your perception of things and lets you out your best self forward.....You would not go to a gun fight with a knife....(Not enough firepower), so why would you approach a woman with no idea of what you are doing.....The i am a nice guy and "i'm the kind of guy" shit does not work....In fact if someone opens up too much and too early with a women they get creeped out........Men put way too much pressure on themselves......Girls want to meet cool guys.....they want to have fun too......But they put men through shit tests and most guys knuckle under....Anyways, who cares.....

just watch vince vaughan in swingers and you will see how and what appeals to chicks......and then there is his friend "the honest sapp" and look what he gets......

all you guys think this shit is rocket science.....I grew up like this...all of my friends were like this from high school on......Someone just came up and now sells it....We were just knock around kids from a tough neighborhood who did not get intimidated by chicks and their beauty......

you guys need to get out there.....it is alot of fun!!! really....women are great....

I've seen some of his stuff and I believe he's a tool.

Whose your friend that does this?

[BettorsChat]

http://www.doubleyourdating.com/

Is that one

[TwoTonTony]

http://www.doubleyourdating.com/

Is that one

no.....the guy you are thinking of is dave d'angelo......he is the one i said had the cheese factor......but he makes some good points too.......but i disagree with alot of what he says.....i have not seen or heard from him in a couple of years

anyways...

this topic is very sensitive so i am not going to comment anymore

it seems everyonehas their own style so lets leave it at that....

[savage1]

you are making assumptions....that all i do is fuck......There is somethings i beleive in the church and some things i do not.....I am a man....I know what makes me tick.....I do not tell a women right away that i am not interested in getting serious....I never know.....She may be the one...who knows....When it gets to the critical juncture is when i respond.....

i never said men do not make emotional decisions...all people do....thats what sales is....but we decipher things differntly.....

I am kind of insulted by your questioning me to be honest.....i went along with all your stuff and wished you good luck with your lady......You act as if that is the end all be all and we are all just not living the right life........

You say you do not make sweeping generalizations, but that is all you do and you have never ever even wavered....You think you are an expert on women....you are not.....Who cares you worked in social services.? what the fuck does that have to do with women???

The only thing you succeeded at is meeting a younger girl from a different country as if it is a skill.......You failed here....and went where women would date a 60 year old......Thats it......You sit from an ivory tower and judge and you bailed out of the game......Do you ever ask yourself, why she would even be interested in a 60 year old from different culture??? What is wrong with the men in her country?? Do they not understand her like you do? or is it because this is the land of opportunity???

Hey, i am happy for you.....but you do not know when to stop....and now you have thrown jabs at me and i take offense to it.....You are a stubborn mother fucker and that is truth....Your views are so narrow it is sickening........I hope you keep this one under lock and key....

your bragging that yours is the perfect thiong and the rest of us are just missing out is tiring.....I guess when i stop getting the amount of pussy i get i will resort to that.....yeah right, that will not happen.....I do not have to pay and refuse to pay....

good luck....i am done with you and your bullshit.....

Tony-even if you choose not respond to this, I am going to try to answer this post to at least try to make you understand one more time what I was saying:
First of all, I would say that having read all your posts, word for word, it appears that your morivation is differently than mine-you want relationships with no strings attached and sex.(just look at the line when you talk about getting all the pussy you can).
That is all fine and good if that is what you want.
However, when I asked the question in post #146, I asked the question about whether a deeply religious American woman would believe in above, and would like to be approached in the same way/be impressed by a man with the same tactics used in general, you replied that you have dated some very religious ladies and that YOU are a DEVOUT catholic yourself(the word devout is important in what you said as a rebuttal to my statement).
If you are going to use the word devout as opposed to not using it and perhaps just saying you are a practicing catholic who attends church religiously, I think it is a legitmate question for me to ask you whether catholicism/the bible teaches that a lifestyle that sex with no type of commitment is acceptable.
You responded by saying that you go along with some of the teachings of catholicism but not all. Is that not picking and choosing what you choose to believe?
Now if you can honestly say that Catholicism in its truest sense says that your life style is acceptable(sex with no type of marriage or at least strong commitment), then my argument is not valid;I believe I am right here.
I am going to find the section of the bible which talks about this myself. I am quite sure fornication is considered an abomination in the Old Testament and at least as unacceptable in the New Testament.
I believe Catholicism in its purest sense teaches that sex is reserved for marriage and procreation. Is that not true?
In addition(and I realize this is a controversial issue) if you are using birth control method(hopefully you are), then I believe you are not practicing the tenets of catholisicm at least not for one who calls himself a devout catholic.
I realize that this whole issue may be off topic, but remember YOU are the one who called himself a devout Catholic, and I had to respond to that, because if your premise of being a devout catholic is incorrect, then your definition of "religious" may also not be the same as mine;obviously just going to church every Sunday does not make anyone religious.
Ok to other issues:
I NEVER stated I was an expert on ladies.
I do however feel that I am quite knowledgeable in knowing how to approach an older woman (if that is what I wanted) and certainly one whose goals are marriage or a a strong and committed relationship.
You are obviously an expert in knowing how to attract a woman for a relationship one which ultimately leads to sex.
Ok, fine and good, but please don't say that the mindset for ALL women is the same especially for women who are somewhat older than you unless of course the older woman hasn't grown, evolved, doesn't want a committed relationship (hence wants only) sex or whatever you want to call it.
The point is that your approach attracts a CERTAIN kind of woman but it is far from all women; also, I think the word "quality woman" has to be defined carefully.
A lawyer, doctor, etc. is a quality woman for sure in terms of their education, intelligence, profession etc. but it does not mean "quality" by my standards if they are simply looking for a "no strings" attached sexual relationship with no commitment.
It meets YOUR lifestyle,and thats fine (taking into account of what I said about "devout catholic" above), but I think you are sadly mistaken if you think your tactics would work say with a woman in her fifties (and especially one who is really religious and not just one who calls herself religious) and most importantly one who is looking for a serious relationship.
I am not holding this against you, but again I don't feel you are in a position to comment on how ladies much older than you think and for that matter how you will think when you get to be in your fifties;you haven't been there yet.
One other thing that I just thought of that I think you should consider is that many women go through menopause when they are older, meaning their emotional needs change as well as how they view life and perhaps how they would wish to be approached?
You also raised the question about what my job had to do women.
Well, let me tell you I dealt with many more women than men(by nature of the job that I dealt with many AFDC families), and just talking to them(thousands i am sure), that they tick differently from one to the other, and no two are alike.
Granted, talking to them in a business sense is not the same as talking with them in a more romantic sense, but again I maintain (and I can't say this enough times) those looking for a more serious committed relationship might be more impressed by a direct approach than the small talk, "play games", "keep the mystique""don't be too available" approach that you have suggested.
Also, don't forget that I worked closely with two ladies for 25 years older, who are both now in their fifties;one is very religious and the other about "average."
Both are extremely bright, and I know both of them well enough that the methods you suggest would not work with them;they both have strong sense of commitment, and obviously you would not interest them and vice versa.
Another point:you mention about men in her country and whey the men don't understand her like i do.
Well, the fact is that tmy wife was looking for a committed relationship, and many of the men in Colombia are not religiously oriented as she and like to go from woman to woman(obviously not all, as their are some men religiously oriented as she is).
In all fairness some of the men did not have good jobs, and of course the fact that she felt an American man with values and most importantly a strong sense of religion and financial security entered into her decision,however, when she became interested in me, she had NO idea of my income or that of my family;she loved and loves me for who am I because of the teachings of her religion and equally her own personality.
Lastly, if you want to say I failed here, ok that is your choice.
I define "failure" as an inability to find a woman in the age range I was looking for (which was actually initially 45 to early to mid fifties and NOT 36) via using the internet(as discussed as I am sure you are aware in by dating service thread) who was looking for marriage(obviously not just sex) and one who from my perspective has a no nonsense approach to the matter.
I would thus define my "failure" by YOUR standards(sex without commitment) but not mine.
In terms of what I was looking for, I might have found a suitable older woman if I looked long and hard enough in the states but certainly not on the internet sites for reasons described in the dating services thread.
However, I felt that the message was loud and clear-if I really wated to find a woman right away, one whose values are simply, one who is really one who is looking for a committed relationship(unlike many on the internet sites who say they are but either have unrealistic expectations or who deep down do not want a committed relationship), one who is TRULY loving, caring, devoted and with a REAL sense of religion and purpose in life, then my odds would substantially increase by using a different means.
If that is defined as a failure by you, well so be it.
By the way I have enjoyed these discussions with you up to now, and I didn't mean to offend you especially with my comments about devout catholic, but I thought it necessary and pertinent to this conversation.
I hope you reconsider your decision, but if not, I wish you the very best.

[TwoTonTony]

you seem to harp on something that works with women.....every encounter i have with a woman does not end in a hookup....nor do i want it to...i enjoy people and i pride myself in being able to discuss things with all types and all ages......

You have no clue brother.......you are so busy trying to be right that you do not listen to others.....I am done mr. stubborn.....you go about your perfect religious life and i will go on with mine.....

[bover1]

Why Dont All U Fags Go Grab A Latte Go 2 The Park Play Chess And Talk About This Horseshit There.....

Thanks Head Of The DEPT.

[jcindaville]

Why Dont All U Fags Go Grab A Latte Go 2 The Park Play Chess And Talk About This Horseshit There.....

Thanks Head Of The DEPT.

Relax guys, smoke a joint, your not fixing shit with politics here.

[Lsufan]

Did some mention a joint???

Signed,

Wayne121874562938

[savage1]

you seem to harp on something that works with women.....every encounter i have with a woman does not end in a hookup....nor do i want it to...i enjoy people and i pride myself in being able to discuss things with all types and all ages......

You have no clue brother.......you are so busy trying to be right that you do not listen to others.....I am done mr. stubborn.....you go about your perfect religious life and I will go on with mine.....

Fine-and for reasons stated above YOU have no clue about older women anyways because you haven't been there and are making broad assumptions which have no basis at least with a large segment of the population.
ps I never said you wanted to hookup with every lady, but still YOU are the ones who make the SWEEPING generalizations about women and how they want to be approached.
They will work with the type of woman YOU want(no commitment, who perhaps have the same mindset as you, and thats ok), but for the reasons I cited in my last post, I feel your reasoning faulty, fallacious and specious especially when you think age doesn't matter in one's thinking process.
ps You still haven't told me how you can reconcile your belief that you are a "devout"catholic based on your views of sexual relationships with a number of women with the teachings and tenets of catholicism. I feel confident in saying you that even though I am not catholic, I doubt many priests would agree that you are a "devout" catholic just based on your views of casual sex with no kind of commitment.