Lakers Shenanigans Again

[savage1]

Enough of what? If you don't think it is worthy of reading, then simply change ths station.
I thought I made an interesting observation.

[winner]

Lets see-the other night 35 points scored in 4:45 seconds to put the game over with Phoenix ahead by 30 points.
Tonight-Miami draws within 11 points late to at least have an outside chance and only 40 points scored for the ENTIRE period including very few in last few minutes and game stays under by 2 points.
It might be coincidence, but then again it might not.

So who was on the take or power trip in that game?

[savage1]

So who was on the take or power trip in that game?

My point is not to directly accuse anyone in either game but only to raise one's awareness of what might have happened or could happen.
As I said previously, I just find it a little strange that 35 points were scored the other night in 4:45 minutes(putting game over the total), whereas tonight only 34 points were scored in around the last 9 minutes where Miami had at least an outside chance of getting back in the game late and then game falling short by 2 points of going over the total and very few points scored late.
Some say coincidence, big deal, who cares, etc.
I say this kind of thing has happened too many times to think that it is always chance;if nothing else, I thing the two games serve as prime examples of lets us say interesting phenomena regarding the number of points scored and the total set for the game.
Anyone can draw his own conclusions(I have my own), but I think in this day and age people should at least open their minds to the possibility that there could be attempts to control ATS winner or in these cases the total outcome.
Big money controls what happens in this country to a large extent(in my opinion at the highest level);thus controlling or at least attempting to control a sporting event is not so far fetched.

[mmw151]

how many games are played a year in the NBA? thousands?? its gonna be a close call a lot of times.
so every game that comes close to the total pointspread you think the game was fixed either way.. well maybe you should then look to find when the "fix" is in and make some money.
vegas sets a total, they are pretty sharp. maybe thats why the games end up being right around what the total is set at, if they werent so accurate then we all would be making a ton of money.

[winner]

So was anyone on a power trip in the Tor baseball game? Total at 10 1/2 with 13 LOB with 6+ left in scoring position. Lots of money and people on Clev over tonight. They left 18+ on base between the 2. Fixed? Power struggle? Baseball players have egos. My question would be where does it end?

[winner]

St Louis under by 1, Seatlle over by 1/2 with one run on a wild pitch. Someone on the take influencing outcome?

[savage1]

how many games are played a year in the NBA? thousands?? its gonna be a close call a lot of times.
so every game that comes close to the total pointspread you think the game was fixed either way.. well maybe you should then look to find when the "fix" is in and make some money.
vegas sets a total, they are pretty sharp. maybe thats why the games end up being right around what the total is set at, if they werent so accurate then we all would be making a ton of money.

Don't put words in my mouth;I never said every game or even close to that, but when I see suspicious things happen over and over again late in game where the ats or total is at stake, I think I have every right to point them out, the circumstances surrounding them and express my opinions.
There have been admitted attempts to fix games in the past, which tells me that a lot more goes on that you DON'T hear about.
ps How could I get in on the "fix if there was one or an attempt to make one especially if circumstances didn't dictate the attempt until late in the game?
If something was planned and I found out, then surely a lot a lot more people would find out and then too many people would know and it wouldn't work for obvious reasons.
If you want to think every thing is lily white in sports gambling, be my guest.

[savage1]

Winner-Baseball cannot be compared to basketball or football.
Baseball is more of an individual sport than is basketball or football and most importantly there is NO TIME CLOCK, which is of key consideration in attempting any kind of fix. Enough said;try a better analogy next time.
ps I have never heard any accusations of attempts to fix baseball, because as stated, it doesn't lend itself as much to the possibilites for some of the reasons stated above.

[winner]

Winner-Baseball cannot be compared to basketball or football.
Baseball is more of an individual sport than is basketball or football and most importantly there is NO TIME CLOCK, which is of key consideration in attempting any kind of fix. Enough said;try a better analogy next time.

So an egotistical pitcher can't throw one in the backstop with the bases loaded with a push total? Or a players can't strike out with bases juiced with total under? Since it is an individual sport, you then think a whole basketball team is "in on it" at the end?

[mmw151]

great point winner, so savage, both benches of the suns and lakers the other nite helped "fix" game to go over
and about tonite, you see it happen all the time, one team up big the other makes a lil run. NJ was trying to kill some clock shorten the game, and miami just couldnt score enough and thats the reason it stayed under
funny thing is if the 3 ball vince carter shoots with the shot clock running out and under 2 seconds left in the game would have put it over and YOU would have been typing on here that carter fixed the game to go over, lol.
where does it end savage??????

[savage1]

So an egotistical pitcher can't throw one in the backstop with the bases loaded with a push total? Or a players can't strike out with bases juiced with total under? Since it is an individual sport, you then think a whole basketball team is "in on it" at the end?

Anything is possible of course, but the really BIG money comes in on basketball and football. Baseball is way down in comparison in betting interest and the amount of money bet in comparison.
Of course in fairness we all know that Pete Rose did bet on baseball games,and I suppose that even though he did say that he always bet ON the Reds, perhaps that was not always the case.
So to play devil's advocate, sure it is possible to try to control a baseball game to some extent;I just don't think as stated that it lends itself as well for the reasons stated previously.
On the other hand, from my point of view anyways, a pitcher throwing a ball to the backstop for example to influence a total would not be as obvious or questionable say in comparison to the other night when 35 points were scored in the last 4:45 with one team leading by 30 to push the total over or tonight when there were not anywhere near as many points scored late when there was good reason for more fouls as margin did get down to 11 points, and Miami had some momentum.

[winner]

Was Vanderjerk on the take when missing a game-tying FG at buzzer? Would have put game in OT and given his team a chance to win the money line. Was Bettis on the take when he fumbled late? Did Big Ben bet on his own team so he had to make the shoestring tackle? Does Randy Moss take off plays b/c his contract isn't big enough so he needs to help out the book? Does Ray Lewis miss tackles to get the over in?

[savage1]

MMW-again you are saying things that I did not say.
I only raised the possibility, but your implication is that sporting events are NEVER fixed or at the very least least there are NEVER attempts to make a game come out a certain way. Am I correct?
To change the subject but in the same line of thinking, a lot of people think that the leaders of our country are perfect,at, Michael Moore and others are all liars, and that George Bush does everything for the good of the country, and that money/oil interests had/have no bearing on what we did and ore doing now all over the world;some of us choose to think differently.
Sure last statement is off topic, but if anyone thinks that everything that goes on in sports gambling is always on the up and up, well then just keep on believing it.

[winner]

And 99-99 in Suns game and an 18-6 run by Suns. Which team is on the take and has the biggest egos? Suns cover game and 2nd 1/2. Fixed, fixed!

[savage1]

Was Vanderjerk on the take when missing a game-tying FG at buzzer? Would have put game in OT and given his team a chance to win the money line. Was Bettis on the take when he fumbled late? Did Big Ben bet on his own team so he had to make the shoestring tackle? Does Randy Moss take off plays b/c his contract isn't big enough so he needs to help out the book? Does Ray Lewis miss tackles to get the over in?

Hey Winner-if you read my posts CAREFULLY, you would have seen that my original thread had to do with Games where for the most part game had been decided.
In answer to your other questions, I refer you to my previous post, and I never said all or even anywhere near all games were fixed.
You can choose believe what you wish;in following sports for 54 years, I think I have a pretty good understanding of life and what makes folks tick sometimes.