Lakers Shenanigans Again

[savage1]

Where is there a documented case that an attempt to fix a NBA game had been made?

Savage, as often as you scream fix or claim a game was fishy don't you think if the games were fixed as often as you claim we'd hear about it? Someone would have talked by now.

I never claimed that it happens that often, but on the other hand, I think that putting on rose colored glasses and assuming that at least some players don't partake or would like to partake in such a venture is plain naive.
There have been admitted and proven point shaving attempts in the past, which means that more could go on.
Without going into detail for obvious reasons, I know for a FACT that a certain college basketball game was fixed many years ago, and that a former friend of mine cashed in big.

[mmw151]

well what game? please do tell us

[savage1]

how do you know how much money was bet on the over as oppsed to the under???

and the miami game they were down by 11-13 pts with a lil over a minute left, there is no reason to foul the game is over.
savage, what would u have said if vince cartere hit the 3 at the end of the game to send it over?

To use your argument, why was Phoenix throwing up three pointers when game was clearly decided? Yeah right-to put on a show for the fans;your thinking is selective.
Re: Carter-who knows what his motivtion was/is and or it mattered to him? It might be only one or two players who want the game to fall a certain way;i never said it was the entire team.

[winner]

winner,where are you going with this,if you have read any of mine and savage's post,we constantly expose how corrupt the services are,the big guys like UNCLE P H I L get huge kickbacks from the business they send the sportsbook they promo.to your question,WHY DO WE CONTINUE TO BET IF WE FEEL THAT WAY,YOU HAVE CLOSE TO A 50-50 PERCENT CHANCE OF BEING ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE "MAFIA JOE." THAT WAS A JOKE,I AM NOT SAYING ALL GAMES ARE FIXED.truthfully,if we are honest with ourselves 90 percent of us are addiction freaks to one degree or another,its just that over the years we learn to manage a little better,cap a little better,and a few others that makes betting sports enjoyable.GUYS WHY DON'T WE LET THIS HORSE REST,I THINK WE'VE RODE HIM ENOUGH AND MOVE ON TO THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THIS FORUM-BEATING THE MAN!! SINCERELY WAYNECHUNG!!

On the subject of services, Chung, I agree they are probably corrupt and more out to make the sale then satisfy the client. My point to Savage was when he said that services get a kickback for handing out losers. I understand a referral bonus (Again, like this site probably). If a service or anyone was capable of handing out losers, then they could just hand out the winner, correct? So would they want a kickback from giving out a loser or a happy client giving out a winner. I would think they are hedging their bets and getting both, especially giving out both sides as some do. I am sure there are people on who who were ticket takers for books and got a kick from the losses for their work. But to me it sounded like Savage was saying the services were giving out the wrong side on purpose. I don't think they're that smart to be able to fade the "right" side since they're flipping coins anyway.

[savage1]

well what game? please do tell us

Believe it or don't believe it;I don't know who reads these threads and will not say more.;just check back on the BC scandal a number of years back if you think this kind of stuff doesn't go on.
Just curious-do you believe everything US govt. tells you about our reasons for being in Iraq or 9/11? if you do, then that is perhaps why we disagree about this also.

[mmw151]

yeah you did say it was more then one player a few posts back. so the scrub back up center for the suns burke said, lets get this one over the total, im such a great 3 point shooter let me shoot it so it goes over?? he didnt shoot it cuz he was out playing and having some, why did the lakers not just run the clock out to get out of the building? their scrubs were driving and drawing fouls??

[savage1]

As stated before, the Lakers are and have always been one of my prime suspects over the years for partaking in activity which could impact the ats outcome or total(just look at the title of the thread).
If you chose to believe everything is always up and up, that is your business;I choose to think differently.
Actually, in post #100 I was attempting to bring closure saying that you all had good points,but then you and a few others chsoe to continue.
If you want to believe what you want, then fine.
I will keep my own opinion based on watching many NBA games and what I believe to be a good understanding of human motivation.

[mmw151]

fine then. but please dont come out and post "that was fishy" or "might have been fixed"
everytime something happens in your paranoid thinking

[savage1]

As I said in post#100(if you read it), I will not do it any more.
Keep in mind as I said last night that there is a fine line between paranoia and reality as there is between blind trust/faith and naivete and stupidity.
In short, I view you as much naive as you do me paranoid.

[WayneChung]

You guy were on the debate team in high school-right-I MOTHERFUCKING KNEW IT!! PS- AND NOW YOUR LAWYERS-AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!

[CheechB03]

My point is that I thought it unusual for teams to score 35 points in last 4:45 og game when one team was leading by 30.
Usually coacjes tell whoever is playing to slow the game down

Wrong on both accounts. A misconception many have.

Blow out games have the tendancy to go OVER. The losing team plays less defense trying to score as quick as possible leaving easy chances for the team leading. The leading team lets the losing team score easy baskets. They don't want to foul which stops the clock from running.

Once again if you watched the Lakers/Suns game the Suns were not milking the shot clock at all. On some possessions they were shooting very early.

[CheechB03]

There have been admitted and proven point shaving attempts in the past, which means that more could go on.

Not in the NBA

[winner]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this or not either but Savage I believe said that things seemed to be "more fishy" with Laker games and the spread. Could it be that Vegas linesmakers are more sharp on thos spreads b/c LA is a very public bet team? Maybe their spreads and outcomes are closer to the number more often then not?

[savage1]

Wrong on both accounts. A misconception many have.

Blow out games have the tendancy to go OVER. The losing team plays less defense trying to score as quick as possible leaving easy chances for the team leading. The leading team lets the losing team score easy baskets. They don't want to foul which stops the clock from running.

Once again if you watched the Lakers/Suns game the Suns were not milking the shot clock at all. On some possessions they were shooting very early.

Sorry. You are wrong,i have watched many NBA games, and I would bet many more times than not there are nowhere near 35 points scored in a NBA game with 4:45 minutes remaining with one team leading by 30 points especially when the added extra "effort" put the game over the total.
The very fact that Phoenix was NOT milking the clock adds to and NOT detracts to my argument.

[mmw151]

Im sorry but there is no way a nba game can be fixed, they get paid millions of guaranteed dollars, i know some players are dumb but no one could be that dumb, risk everything to fix a game.. this is such a ridiculous conversation.
yes there were some instances in the past in college, but my gosh, coming on here and saying this was fixed or that was fixed everytime something doesnt go according to what you think shoud happen. GET A LIFE! find something else to occupy your time and please dont get into services, we know how you feel there also.