I'm Going on a Romance Tour

[savage1]

Before I start here, let me know if you guys think I am overdoing this or not? I am not merely recounting my events to put myself in the spotlight;I am also trying to give some of you guys who might be interested what happens when you go full steam ahead as I have done with this project of finding a suitable lady(they call it a wife) with whom to share my life.
Anyways, tonight I had a real nice conversation in Spanish with a very nice and fairly attractive lady from Bogota(capital of Colombia).
She has a Masters Degree and is very friendly and polite.
The bad news is that even atbher relative young age, she has a son 21 in college and a daughter 13,who lives at home;she is divorced.
I have been thinking, and I am not quite as adverse as I was if the lady has a child but would still prefer one with no children or grown children or at the very least a child who will soon be on his or her own.

[BettorsChat]

One added thing-if any of you guys don't mind if the lady has a child or even more than one child(personally I prefer that she doesn't have children or at least that the children be grown, although I could possibly be interested if she had one child in mid to late teens), let me tell you there are some real Latin American "knockouts" out there in their 20's and 30's looking for a nice guy(sure money is a motive in some cases, but so what?).

I disagree about so what if money is a motive. You shouldn't want any female if her main motive is money. She will always want this or that and if you stop buying or giving it to her she will leave you.

[tech fan]

I dont want to be out of line here in your thread but i feel like if you can find a woman here you would be better off.Not all American women are not bad.I have had good luck although the relationship i am in now is somewhat different than yours.I am so in love with my girl of 5 yrs kids age 8 and 5.All i do is try my best to be there for the kids and it seems to off set all of our bad things. i wish you the Best i really do i just think if you were more open about kids and really got to know the woman and the kids you would be bettter off.Not for sure i am right just giving my opinion.All i am saying is that if you are a good dad to someone elses kids then how can some woman be mad at you ever. You are so much better than what she had in the past.

[savage1]

I disagree about so what if money is a motive. You shouldn't want any female if her main motive is money. She will always want this or that and if you stop buying or giving it to her she will leave you.

Let me clarify what I said:
Most ladies in the world, I don't care where they live, want financial security(maybe that is a better choice of words than "money.");perhaps this(money/financial security) is not a big an issue in the US where many ladies have good jobs.
However, in may other parts of the world, many ladies are poor and are looking for a better type of life, a better type of husband and yes a husband who can provide some financial security.
I agree with you that money in itself should NOT be the prime motivating factor.
However, that being said, what is wrong with a lady's trying to meet a nice,loving American guy who also has a nice job or has some money saved up? To me it is a package deal, but I disagree with the notion that all most of these ladies from Colombia and other places iare merely seeking a meal ticket to the US.
Of course there are instances when that is the motive, but not to brag, but I feel I am old enough, have dealt with enough people, etc. to get a pretty good idea of what a llady is all about after conversing with them a number of times.
If you want to take it a step further and go back to the time in the US when most women did not work and whose primary focus was in the home and bring up the kids, one could say that many of these women many times married their husbands a good deal out of economic necessity;and you know what, i don't have the stats to back it up, but I would bet that the divorce rate was a lot less than it is today.
My overall point is that when an American guy like myself goes to a foreign country hoping to find a lady who will ultimately will become his wife, he goes with the full knowledge that the great majority of women will consider financial security as one factor of whether a guy will make a suitable mate or not.
I see nothing wrong with that as long as she cares for the guy first as a person;I do agree with you on that.
However to go to the other extreme and say that financial security should be of no consideration to the lady is a bit naive and is not the real world.

[BettorsChat]

I dont want to be out of line here in your thread but i feel like if you can find a woman here you would be better off.Not all American women are not bad.I have had good luck although the relationship i am in now is somewhat different than yours.I am so in love with my girl of 5 yrs kids age 8 and 5.All i do is try my best to be there for the kids and it seems to off set all of our bad things. i wish you the Best i really do i just think if you were more open about kids and really got to know the woman and the kids you would be bettter off.Not for sure i am right just giving my opinion.All i am saying is that if you are a good dad to someone elses kids then how can some woman be mad at you ever. You are so much better than what she had in the past.

Are you 2 married?

[BettorsChat]

Let me clarify what I said:
Most ladies in the world, I don't care where they live, want financial security(maybe that is a better choice of words than "money.");perhaps this(money/financial security) is not a big an issue in the US where many ladies have good jobs.
However, in may other parts of the world, many ladies are poor and are looking for a better type of life, a better type of husband and yes a husband who can provide some financial security.
I agree with you that money in itself should NOT be the prime motivating factor.
However, that being said, what is wrong with a lady's trying to meet a nice,loving American guy who also has a nice job or has some money saved up? To me it is a package deal, but I disagree with the notion that all most of these ladies from Colombia and other places iare merely seeking a meal ticket to the US.
Of course there are instances when that is the motive, but not to brag, but I feel I am old enough, have dealt with enough people, etc. to get a pretty good idea of what a llady is all about after conversing with them a number of times.
If you want to take it a step further and go back to the time in the US when most women did not work and whose primary focus was in the home and bring up the kids, one could say that many of these women many times married their husbands a good deal out of economic necessity;and you know what, i don't have the stats to back it up, but I would bet that the divorce rate was a lot less than it is today.
My overall point is that when an American guy like myself goes to a foreign country hoping to find a lady who will ultimately will become his wife, he goes with the full knowledge that the great majority of women will consider financial security as one factor of whether a guy will make a suitable mate or not.
I see nothing wrong with that as long as she cares for the guy first as a person;I do agree with you on that.
However to go to the other extreme and say that financial security should be of no consideration to the lady is a bit naive and is not the real world.

Back in the old days when the man was the primary worker though expenses weren't as high as they are today. Inflation has led to most families having to have both the man and wife work. Which has led to more divorce rates and children not being raised as well. That can IMO be blamed on Big Corporations wanting to make more profits on each product that they sell.

My point of view is that if I was to marry a Foreign women she should not have a problem with working outside of the home. If she does then she isn't for me. And they are getting a much better start by coming from their Country to the USA, because there are so many more oppurtunities here. Like more jobs, better pay, more stores, etc. Depending on what Country it is many of these women still live with there parents, brothers, sisters and even grandparents. At least that's very common in Russia. Plus I believe the average monthly salary in Russia is like $100-$200 per month.

A lot of Columbian women are poor too. I don't believe the pay is any better than it is in Russia. I don't know about the living situations down there though. I do know store selections etc, aren't the same as here.

I beleive a good way of filtering out the women that are only interested in your wallet is by mentioning if they have a problem with working outside of the house. If you do you will see that many of them will drop off and those are probably not the ones that you would want to begin with or in the end.

[savage1]

Monte-as usual you make some great and valid points.
Actualy several of the letters with whom I am corresponding have very good jobs-teaching college English, dentist, economist, etc.
Most of the ladies I have corresponded do work doing something even if not as noteworthy as cited above.
I would think that the three ladies I cited above would want to work over here and if anything get a better job than they presently have.
Talking about money, one motivation to come over here besides to find a suitable man is so that they (the ladies) can get jobs and send money home to their families.
This was the case with my first wife from the Philippines and most of her friends.
I forgot to mention that last night.
Of course, if she wanted me to send her family home while she sat back on her ass and do nothing, well I wouldn't "exactly"go for that.
In my mind not all foreign ladies are blood sucking leeches who want their American husbands to support them and their familes;obviously that type of lady is not for me.
I am seeking a lady who cares for me and yet is motivated enough to want to have a career if she is educated enough or at least make some contribution to society.
I sat this not because I need her income to survive because even if she did not work, I would not have any problems at all supporting her;I say it because as you say, it shows what kind of person she is.
I think in actuality we are not that far apart in our beliefs, the only difference being that we look at the entire "deal" in a little different way.

[savage1]

Tech Fan-in response to what you said, I have tried with the big online dating services I cited earlier for a long time and for reasons stated had no luck with American ladies
Of course I would love to find an attractive lady over here 30's to late 40's(sorry that is the way it is-I don't want a lady in her fifties) with no children or even one older child, but it seems most of the ladies interested in me are either my age or older or they are within the age range I choose but for whom I have no physical immature.
Yeah I know looks aren't everything and that is what is inside that counts, BUT what is wrong if you can find both? That is why I have taken my search overeseas. Being retired, I have plenty of time, patience, money, etc. to search-so why not?

[LSUMONSTER]

LSUMONSTER-such negativity and skepticism!
I don't agree with your assessment when you say ALL foreign ladies are the way in which you describe them;many, not all are seeking American men because men from their own country in many cases are unreliable, cheat on them, get drunk all the time, treat them poorly, and many other things.
I know for a fact that the divorce rate of American men who marry foreign ladies is far less than the 50% rate between American men and American women.
In addition, (and I know this from experience from my first wife) ladies from the Philippines and I am positive Latin ladies are in general more caring, loving, etc. than many American ladies.
Hey-I hung out at EHarmony, JDate and Match.com for a long time and didn't find anyone because I (and probably a lot of other men) weren't good enough for them.
i am sick of stuck up and snobby American ladies, and I want a younger woman. What better thing than to try this venture!
Just think of the many American men who get taken to the cleaners by their wives in the divorce and then go out and find another American women and the same thing happens all over again.
Well, I am different, have plenty of time, patience, money to pursue the lady I want to meet.
I will be very careful, and I have confidence to weed out those whose motives are not sincere(the same as I do with the sports services).
No one will take advantage of me, and as stated, I have already exposed a few who were just looking for someone to send them money.
ps yes I will bring cialis and hopefully I will have enough. lol

NO, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, SAVAGE1
YOU ARE 1 OF THE CLASSIEST HERE AT B.C AND I WISH YOU NOTHING BUT THE BEST FOR YOU ON YOUR TRIP.
I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THE MAIN REASON THESE WOMEN
WANT FROM AN INNOCENT YANKEES....AND I DO ***NOT***WANT YOU TO GET HURT EMOTIONALLY AND IN YOUR POCKET ALSO.
BOTTOM LINE IS THAT PLEASE DO NOT GO ALL IN WITH ANY GIRL OVER THERE( JUST LIKE WHEN YOU BETTING HERE) AND YOU WILL NOT FEEL SO BAD IF THINGS DO NOT TURN OUT RIGHT. ( HOPEFULLY YOU WILL NOT BE BLINDED BY LOVE).
LIKE I SAID, I WISH YOU THE BEST AND MAYBE BY THIS TIME NEXT YEAR YOU WILL HERE A SAVAGE1 JR RUNNING AROUND...LOL
PLEASE KEEP IN TOUCH WHILE YOU ARE OVER THERE.
BOL. :bestwishe :bestwishe :bestwishe

[LSUMONSTER]

Btw, If This Trip Is Not What You Expected, Try THe Asian Girls. Theay Are Cheaper Too. They Could Not Speak English; However, But Who Cares. You Just Let Your Fingers Do The Talking, Lol...last Time I Checked, IT Would Cost You About 5 Grands For Every Things, Middle Man, Wedding, Etc....maybe About 10 Grands Totally When You Get Her To The U.S.
Whether Or Not She Will Stay With You Is Another Story But, Hey, If You Can Afford It, Go For It.
A Young, Pretty, Virgin Girl For 10 Grands For A Few Yrs Is Cheaper Than Street Hookers, Right? Lol.
SERIOUSLY, SOME IN VIETNAM WILL PAY YOU MONEY TO GET THEM OUT OF THE COUNTRY( BUT NO SEX INVOLVED, OFCOURSE). THIS TELL YOU HOW DESPERATE THEY ARE.

[savage1]

Hi LSU-I understand you. No problem. The Tour People insist that at least initially you don't spend too much time with any one person and that you meet as many as possible for many of the reasons you cite.
Re: Asian ladies, remember my ex-wife to whom I was married to for 10 years and the mother of my daughter is from the philippines, a truly wonderful lady and we talk every day-picture perfect divorce.
The reason for the divorce(and I won't make the same mistake again) was that I simplywas not attentive enough to her needs and was more concerned with stocks and gambling;I was a great provider but not a great husband; I am determined to be different this time around.
My ex-wife are on such great terms that she, my daughter, my mother and I all went out to dinner together for my birthday. Her new husband is a great guy also and he and I get along fine;they in all honesty are wel suited to one another.
ps I am looking for a real relationship, one based on lovd and respect for one another and not one just based on sex!
I appreciate your concern and advice and good wishes, and a lot of what you say makes sense.

[savage1]

Today's Update(so far) and brought to you by "Looking for Love in all the wrong places, looking for love in so many places, etc.-does anyone remember that great song?).
Anyways, today I had another of a number of what have been goodconversersations with this Brazilian lady, 43, no kids and quite sexy looking. Actually as she speaks Portuguese and little English and me English but no Portuguese, the conversations have been via regular email; I simply translate her and my messages into the appropriate language. www.freetranslation.com is the site I use, and while the translations are not perfect, at very least we can make ourselves understood. I simply copy her and paste her response , have it translated and then reply, and have that copied and then paste it in the reply to her.
What I like about this lady already is that she is ALREADY taking English languages;that says something about here.
She has a BA and is a good job in the I believe shipping or marketing dept. of a big company in Brazil
Stay tuned-this one could prove interesting(of course the trip to Colombia is till on).
ps This lady already has a Visa and is free to travel, which I also like.

[savage1]

Silly thought-Wouldn't it be great some day if you met a lady on line you liked, who lived far away such as is the case with me, and there was a teleportation machine by which you could instantly transport her into your bedroom? Will modern technology ever get to this point? Lets hope so. Beam me up Scotty!(from the old StarTrek).

[savage1]

I have a totally unrelated question. You might think that is crazy, but while there I still want to see how the pennant races are going and how my Sox are doing.
Does anyone know for sure whether my pager will work in Colombia, which is in the northern part of South America? My gut says no, no way!
I guess I should really be worrying about whether something else works when I am there.

[savage1]

Short update today-lots of ladies across the world contiue to either express interest or send me emails;obviously it is quality that counts.
I kind of like this 43 year old lady in Brazil I mentioned-no kids and with a visa. Pretty, 5'4" and 112 lb. and has a good job and learning English. She sent me a few more photos today. She seems very classy and is spiritual, which I also like.