Well KB...lets start our own trash talking now...

[TheRook]

This sucks doesnt it Rook> lol

LOL


It's all good my friend. I can dish it as well as I can take it. And being a Die Hard Notre Dame fan...I've learned that it isn't an easy thing. When people say you either love em or hate em...it's very very true.

I just hope (being sincere) that I handle myself as well as you did yesterday. Cause you really did get hammered by us....mostly in good fun, but still.....

[jcindaville]

LOL


It's all good my friend. I can dish it as well as I can take it. And being a Die Hard Notre Dame fan...I've learned that it isn't an easy thing. When people say you either love em or hate em...it's very very true.

I just hope (being sincere) that I handle myself as well as you did yesterday. Cause you really did get hammered by us....mostly in good fun, but still.....

I was pissed Kinda hard for me to take. My personality doesnt handle that well. Believe me, if i would have been drunk up i would have been banned

[TheRook]

I was pissed Kinda hard for me to take. My personality doesnt handle that well. Believe me, if i would have been drunk up i would have been banned

I mean no disrespect to this when I say this...this is a compliment...

But I've been through this for years....I"m almost numb to it. Because Notre Dame is as elite as they are, and as hated as they are because of it....the peanut gallary is ripe and ready to fire they're bullets year after year. You just have to know how to deal with it.

Consider yourself and the program you belove one of the best if we can spend that much time talking about it.

you don't talk about the shitty has been programs. You talk and argue about the teams that are making names for themselves.

Make sense?

[longnex]

Rook you arent like the alumni and the financial backers of ND. All they care about is winning and not just against Navy. They want bowl wins and championships. Anything less is a bad year. You obviously are happy that ND just has a winning record. To each his own I guess.

[TheRook]

Rook you arent like the alumni and the financial backers of ND. All they care about is winning and not just against Navy. They want bowl wins and championships. Anything less is a bad year. You obviously are happy that ND just has a winning record. To each his own I guess.

Don't get me wrong. I want wins...I would love to see them win another national championship. But I'm not going to call the season a failure if we don't win the national championship. We may not have accomplished our #1 goal..and that will be a disappointment, but it's not a failure.

Losing 9 straight bowls sucks. It does. I can't deny that. I wish that was not the case. But it is what it is. Does that make our program a failure? Well, if recruiting classes are one of the answers to that question, i'm gonna have to say no. We had the best recruting class in a long time last year (#8)...and 2008 is gonna be even better. (#1 as of now)

I love debating/arguring/sword fighting as JC likes to call it....and I know you and Bill have many valid points. I hope that my counterpoints have the same validity.

Your a class act Nex....

[BillMill71]

Ok...well I'll be just another top 40 football program with a top 10 recruting class in 2007 and as of right now have the #1 recruting class in 2008 (from Rivals.com)

http://rivals100.rivals.com/TeamRank...rt=0&year=2008

I guess I'll have to settle for that.

Ho hum

Be careful how you read that data. You have that many "points" due to your high number of commitments to date. As other commitments come in you will go up and down in rankings. Clearly what you can see here is statistical parody between the top 20 or so recruiting classes. Something that did NOT exist over 10 years ago. It would clearly be ND and the other elites, with other schools way off the pace (Clemson, NC State and Pitt would NEVER have gotten a 5 star High School athlete).

Also you cannot look at just one class and define a teams ability to contend on the field (outside of the armed services division). You need to look at 3 years worth of classes.

2007 ND Class 8th
2006 ND Class 8th
2005 ND Class 40th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2004 ND Class 32nd!!!!!!!!!

So your seniors and juniors will make it tough to be a top tier team any longer. Although you are definitely headed in the right direction. Only problem is schools like USC, Florida, Texas and LSU have all had better classes then the 2006 & 2007 classes at ND. So even in the future it looks like you are headed to a 5th + finish in the polls


But back to our original discussion, it is amazing 19 3 Star plus blue chip atheletes that can maintain the Achademic excellence admission policies of ND. Unbelieveable.

[BillMill71]

I mean no disrespect to this when I say this...this is a compliment...

But I've been through this for years....I"m almost numb to it. Because Notre Dame is as elite as they are, and as hated as they are because of it....the peanut gallary is ripe and ready to fire they're bullets year after year. You just have to know how to deal with it.

Consider yourself and the program you belove one of the best if we can spend that much time talking about it.

you don't talk about the shitty has been programs. You talk and argue about the teams that are making names for themselves.

Make sense?

The bold above should read "Because Notre Dame WAS as elite as they WERE IN THE PAST

[longnex]

The worst part is I live an hour away from Notre Dame.

[kbsooner21]

Mods, can we change the title of this thread to Well BillMill and Nex...lets start our own trash talking now.

Thanks in advance

[longnex]

Mods, can we change the title of this thread to Well BillMill and Nex...lets start our own trash talking now.

Thanks in advance

Sorry to ruin your thread tiny.

[BillMill71]

Don't get me wrong. I want wins...I would love to see them win another national championship. But I'm not going to call the season a failure if we don't win the national championship. We may not have accomplished our #1 goal..and that will be a disappointment, but it's not a failure.

Losing 9 straight bowls sucks. It does. I can't deny that. I wish that was not the case. But it is what it is. Does that make our program a failure? Well, if recruiting classes are one of the answers to that question, i'm gonna have to say no. We had the best recruting class in a long time last year (#8)...and 2008 is gonna be even better. (#1 as of now)

I love debating/arguring/sword fighting as JC likes to call it....and I know you and Bill have many valid points. I hope that my counterpoints have the same validity.

Your a class act Nex....

Rook, please see a general definition of Failure:

In general, failure refers to the state or condition of not meeting a desirable or intended objective. It may be viewed as the opposite of success.

Just like the Yankees since 2000, every season of Notre Dame football since their last Championship can be defined as a "FAILURE", as the intended objective of ND football (unlike a Boise St bowl win over Ok being an objective) is THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. Nothing less.

[kbsooner21]

Sorry to ruin your thread tiny.

No sweat off my back bro

[10DimeBry]

No sweat off my back bro

They why you bitchin about it asshat.....lol

[BillMill71]

Mods, can we change the title of this thread to Well BillMill and Nex...lets start our own trash talking now.

Thanks in advance

Look at it this way, this thread will have more posts and views then the Nascar forum when all is said and done, and you will have been involved

[BillMill71]

Well Rook, one thing Notre Dame can hang it's hat on is it is the preseason pick to come in first among the Independents:

Independents
Predicted finish
1. Notre Dame
2. Navy
3. Army
4. Western Kentucky