What am I missing on Josh Hamilton?

[kim61299]

Wayne - it is hard to make a point to you when you have such strong dislike for one of the main people arguing against you in this thread.

It would be nice if you tried to look at it from Chad's point of view.

Funny thing is - I agree with you that crack and alcohol is different. But if you can't see the similarities about trying something for the first time (or people thinking "nothing bad will happen to me") - whether it is crack or drunk driving, then you are just a being stubborn and ignorant. Which is a fine - but not a very enlightened way to go through life.

[Kaptain]

kim

Wayne what you fail to realize is - Chad did not take crack thinking he was going to get addicted. Was it stupid of him to try it in the first place? YES! And I bet he would be the first to admit it. But he didn't choose or hope to get addicted.

Wayne has never said he took crack knowing he was gonna get addicted.....he stated, as I did, that he knew Crack was ilegal and addictive, yet, he chose to gamble......90% that try crack, stay on it........he claims to be a gambler, he should have just said no, and now that he has, part of the healing process, is admitting it was his own fault, which Chad has never done since I've known him here on this forum


Wayne - have you ever driven a car after having to much to drink? If you are like the majority of us on here - I would bet you have. Why did you drive knowing full well the possible consequences? Because you thought you could handle being behind the wheel. Fortunately for you everything has worked out when you or I have done that. But if you relate that to trying crack - it is fairly similar.

Not at all----Crack is ilegal----posession---selling---usage of.....Drinking is not ilegal (unless underage), but DUI is......a person who drives while under the influence is readily wrong, but what does that have to do with CRACK addiction....

The person who tries crack doesn't think he/she will get addicted (although most all of us know that it is very likely to happen).

This is the Point exactly.....now you got it

The person who drives after drinking to much doesn't think they will get into an accident and kill themselves or someone else.

same applies to those driving while high on drugs

(although there is a decent chance this will happen) I am sure the guy who killed my cousin never wanted or thought it would happen.

Sorry to hear this, but true

Even if you think that trying coke/crack/hard drugs is stupid (and I agree 100%) you have to concede the fact that Chad/Josh Hamilton/whoever was not trying to get addicted and they thought that they NEVER would get addicted.

Exactly......but they knew the odds and willingly took the gamble, much like a drunk driving home and thinks he won't get caught as you illustrated yourself

As far as crack being as readily available as alcohol???? That is stupid.

well, it was a statement from CHADO....what did you expect.....this is true to a drug addict, cause they hang out together....
I wouldn't even know the first place to begin looking. I could go to my fridge and get a beer.

I know I'm not wayne, but one needs to read all the above, see who said what, then ask the questions to the appropriate person

[DDP713]

Wayne what you fail to realize is - Chad did not take crack thinking he was going to get addicted. Was it stupid of him to try it in the first place? YES! And I bet he would be the first to admit it. But he didn't choose or hope to get addicted.

Wayne - have you ever driven a car after having to much to drink? If you are like the majority of us on here - I would bet you have. Why did you drive knowing full well the possible consequences? Because you thought you could handle being behind the wheel. Fortunately for you everything has worked out when you or I have done that. But if you relate that to trying crack - it is fairly similar. The person who tries crack doesn't think he/she will get addicted (although most all of us know that it is very likely to happen). The person who drives after drinking to much doesn't think they will get into an accident and kill themselves or someone else. (although there is a decent chance this will happen) I am sure the guy who killed my cousin never wanted or thought it would happen.

Even if you think that trying coke/crack/hard drugs is stupid (and I agree 100%) you have to concede the fact that Chad/Josh Hamilton/whoever was not trying to get addicted and they thought that they NEVER would get addicted.

As far as crack being as readily available as alcohol???? That is stupid. I wouldn't even know the first place to begin looking. I could go to my fridge and get a beer.

great post kim.

[wayne1218]

Wayne - it is hard to make a point to you when you have such strong dislike for one of the main people arguing against you in this thread.

It would be nice if you tried to look at it from Chad's point of view.

Funny thing is - I agree with you that crack and alcohol is different. But if you can't see the similarities about trying something for the first time (or people thinking "nothing bad will happen to me") - whether it is crack or drunk driving, then you are just a being stubborn and ignorant. Which is a fine - but not a very enlightened way to go through life.

Do you not agree with me about drinking and driving? My feelings towards chad have zero to do with my argument. That wouldn't change if i was talking to my wife and no, i had many chances to indulge in that shit and i said no. He didn't. I could have put myself in his shoes 15 years ago, or 2 years ago when i had choices too and i chose not to.

[Chado1]

I agree but i'm not sure what relevance it has. We are talking about crack. Was it prescribed to him with a pipe? I understand the whole addiction issue. What i was looking for from chad was a simple admission of how he started that process by "Trying it" for the 1st time. He sees/has no guilt in that choice i guess and to me, that is very sad.

yes I admit I made a mistake in initially trying it...

no I was unaware I would get addicted cause I knew of plenty of people that had tried it along with other drugs and not became addicted....

[harold_bush]

Heroes are not everyday people, I'll applaud your parents for working there ass off and sacrificing to provide a better life for you but they're heroes to you and no one else. You don't look up to josh hamilton because he can hit a ball 500ft. You look up to him because he worked to be the very BEST, achieved that, watched it slip through his fingers, and worked his ass off twice as hard to achieve it once again...only this time when no one thought he would

Alex Rodriguez is not my hero

Josh Hamilton is

Of course my parents are heroes to anyone else, but who cares about that? We don't have to agree on heroes.

[wayne1218]

whether it is crack or drunk driving, then you are just a being stubborn and ignorant.

Tell me why my answer to your drunk driving question was ignorant? Because it made sense?

The government allows you to drive under a certain amount of alcohol. Do they or do they not? There is a fine line there for many when they have to head to their car. There is no fine line with crack. If you are caught with any of it in your car while driving or in your system, you are arrested. What is wrong or ignorant about that?

[DDP713]

yes I admit I made a mistake in initially trying it...

no I was unaware I would get addicted cause I knew of plenty of people that had tried it along with other drugs and not became addicted....

there you go kap take a picture

[harold_bush]

Wayne what you fail to realize is - Chad did not take crack thinking he was going to get addicted. Was it stupid of him to try it in the first place? YES! And I bet he would be the first to admit it. But he didn't choose or hope to get addicted.

Wayne - have you ever driven a car after having to much to drink? If you are like the majority of us on here - I would bet you have. Why did you drive knowing full well the possible consequences? Because you thought you could handle being behind the wheel. Fortunately for you everything has worked out when you or I have done that. But if you relate that to trying crack - it is fairly similar. The person who tries crack doesn't think he/she will get addicted (although most all of us know that it is very likely to happen). The person who drives after drinking to much doesn't think they will get into an accident and kill themselves or someone else. (although there is a decent chance this will happen) I am sure the guy who killed my cousin never wanted or thought it would happen.

Even if you think that trying coke/crack/hard drugs is stupid (and I agree 100%) you have to concede the fact that Chad/Josh Hamilton/whoever was not trying to get addicted and they thought that they NEVER would get addicted.

As far as crack being as readily available as alcohol???? That is stupid. I wouldn't even know the first place to begin looking. I could go to my fridge and get a beer.

To me that is like saying you pointed a gun at someone, pulled the trigger, and then say you didn't intend to kill them.

[wayne1218]

great post kim.

I'll ask you to respond to the answer i gave for his question too. I'm guessing you can't because what i say is not only fact, it is also law.

[harold_bush]

The man that drove drunk and killed my cousin had heard about the dangers of drunk driving. Didn't stop him.

You have heard about the dangers of drunk driving. Have you ever done it? Why?

And nobody is saying that the guy that drove drunk and killed your cousin is a hero. Even if he gets out of jail, kicks the booze, and hits HRs in the majors, he still isn't a hero.

[GOLDENGREEK]

No sports athlete should be anyones hero

Alot of things can become addictions

I agree that Hamilton shouldnt be praised - he did something wrong and was one of the lucky few to recover from it and get his life back

He should be pointed out as a warning of what not to do , not as a hero for overcoming what he originally did

Its a little diffrent if you grow up missing a parent / are abused by parents / grow up super poor / are on the streets at a young age ..etc. Hamilton had a future along with a 4 million dollar signing bonus -- he chose to fuck up his life

[kim61299]

Kapt

Nice arguments.

I am not comparing alcohol with crack addiction. I am trying to show similarities that we, as humans, make decisions that have might have negative impact on ourselves or others. We make these decisions knowing that there is a chance that we could become addicted by trying crack, or we could hurt ourselves or others by driving drunk. But we knowingly make the decisions. If any of us KNEW before the fact that we would get into a car wreck after drinking to much - we would never do it. Just like a guy wouldn't try crack if he KNEW beforehand he would get addicted.

All I am saying that I can see how easy it would be for someone to try crack thinking that it won't addict them and they can overcome it. Much like many of us have done with alcohol and driving.

[wayne1218]

No sports athlete should be anyones hero

Alot of things can become addictions

I agree that Hamilton shouldnt be praised - he did something wrong and was one of the lucky few to recover from it and get his life back

He should be pointed out as a warning of what not to do , not as a hero for overcoming what he originally did

Its a little diffrent if you grow up missing a parent / are abused by parents / grow up super poor / are on the streets at a young age ..etc. Hamilton had a future along with a 4 million dollar signing bonus -- he chose to fuck up his life

GREAT points that have yet to be mentioned Dino.

[harold_bush]

No sports athlete should be anyones hero

Alot of things can become addictions

I agree that Hamilton shouldnt be praised - he did something wrong and was one of the lucky few to recover from it and get his life back

He should be pointed out as a warning of what not to do , not as a hero for overcoming what he originally did

Its a little diffrent if you grow up missing a parent / are abused by parents / grow up super poor / are on the streets at a young age ..etc. Hamilton had a future along with a 4 million dollar signing bonus -- he chose to fuck up his life

Word.