What am I missing on Josh Hamilton?

[wayne1218]

WOW !!!!! chado and frankb03 are correct regarding addiction. I KNOW they are right and they KNOW exactly what i mean when i say that.

DDP post 186 very interesting.

here's a quick little hypothetical situation.

Let's say someone has an illness and goes to the Dr. they take the necessary tests, and they are diagnosed with an illness which valium is prescribed for. (wait before you jump on me, valium is a benzodiazepine and if valium is the treatment, then the only other treatments would be other benzodiazepines which are either worse for your body or even more addictive than valium. ex. xanax,kolonopin, lithium) anyway so your taking your valiums like your prescribed and then they up the dosage let's say on your 7th DR visit. so now you take 2 valiums a day and so on and so on. Valium is water soluble which means it builds in your system unlike any other drugs.

For example you take 5mg on monday, when you take your 5mg on tuesday there is still 2.5mg left in your body from the day before, then on wednesday when you take your 5mg there is 5 mg's left in your body.

Well on your 15th appointment let's say, the DR decides to test you for something else and says OH you really don't have what i thought you had for the last year and a half, you have xyz instead, and you shouldn't be taking valium. EXCUSE ME ! WHAT ! so a MD basically gets you addicted to valium for more than a year. Then they want to take you off of it but not so fast, they want you to start taking some other medicines also. yea because Valium withdrawls won't be enough, they want to put you on more pills that you might not even need or get addicted to.

VALIUM withdrawls when taken for that amount of time is exact equivalent to heroin withdrwawls. Now imagine going through those types of withdrawls an you have an illness, your in pain every day, and University nuero-muscular sub-specialist can't even figure out what disease you have.

I realize this is a very rare situation, but are you telling me that it's that persons choice to take the medicine in which was prescribed by a neurologist ?

How many guys on here have gotten sick and had to go to the dr and get an antibiotic or something like that, just about every single one of us right. Now, how many of you guys thought that after you were finished taking the antibiotic you would be sick for the rest of your life, a lot sicker than before you started the anti-biotic, and even worse you don't even no what you have and DR's can't tell you either.

My point here is there are ALL kinds of ways people can get roped into drugs and it is NOT ALWAYS the person's choice.

THIS IS MY GOML PICK(game of my life ) The best "pick" advice i could give to everyone on this board is STAY AWAY FROM FLOUROQUINOLONE ANTIBIOTICS ex. Cipro, Levaquin. These "drugs" have ruined my life far beyond what any recreational drug could do to me. anyone interested antibiotics.org has a nice little article on what they are just now finding out about them.

You know the best part about it all, for all of you that say it is the person's choice, when i do go to the DR they want to shove more pills down my throat and i refuse because of what i went through, and when you refuse they won't help you. The last time i went the guy wanted to give me roxicet, yes can you believe that ! Roxicet is man made heroin, no thanks DOC.

Nobody is denying the addiction. They are talking about the choice made before the addiction.

[Kaptain]

chado1

How many times do I have to reitarate what I said for it to get through to you or Wayne?

When someone has a beer for the first time its a stupid decision from what you guys are saying. With alcoholism being such a wide spread addiction shouldnt they know better than to have that first beer knowing the possibility is out there just like crack or any other drugs of getting addicted? Or could it possibly be the fact that the avarage human being has an outlook of "it wont happen to me"???

Wow gotta love the ignorance of uninformed individuals who have opinion without fact....just comedy....

Chado---you act as if you're the only person in the world who has had problems, got addicted, got off, and now you think you know it all, and maybe we should make you a Saint....

BullShit....Life is tough....the tough keep going.....the weak say hell yeh, pass the bong....

The strong say hell no, don't need that shit...and life goes on....

You haven't proved a point, except your immaturity today, and that you think everyone is ignorant to drug addiction except addicts....

well I've said this before, one of my sons has a Masters and a PHD in Clinical Counseling, and specializes in Child pyschology....He never used drugs in his life, yet he knows all about em....strange huh....how did he do this....he refused drugs, went to college, got his degree, and now he treats Addicts....

I had him read this, and he says you have some sincere issues in your bi-polar head......he fears for you....cause he says you don't really face reality, you try to repaint it to your likings....

and yes Chado.....I'll take a degreed Professionals opinion, on this subject, way before I take "poor little" yous opinion

[harold_bush]

How many times do I have to reitarate what I said for it to get through to you or Wayne?

When someone has a beer for the first time its a stupid decision from what you guys are saying. With alcoholism being such a wide spread addiction shouldnt they know better than to have that first beer knowing the possibility is out there just like crack or any other drugs of getting addicted? Or could it possibly be the fact that the avarage human being has an outlook of "it wont happen to me"???

Wow gotta love the ignorance of uninformed individuals who have opinion without fact....just comedy....

Dude, that crack must really fried your brain for good. You keep coming on here talking about "how many times you have to reitterate... for Wayne and I," when we are hte ones telling you countless times that ALCOHOL AND CRACK ARE NOT THE SAME. YOU AREN'T COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES. Yes, to answer your question, I'll give you that an argument can be made that trying beer for the first time is a bad decision, BUT THERE ARE LEVELS OF BAD DECISIONS. On a scale of 1-10, with 1 being a slightly bad decision, and 10 being a horirbly retarded decision, alcohol is about a 3, where crack is a 10. THERE IS NO SUBSTANCE ON THIS EARTH AS ADDICTIVE AS CRACK. ALCOHOL IS NOT AS ADDICTIVE AS CRACK. Let me see if can can explain this anohter way ALCOHOL IS NOT AS ADDITCVE AS CRACK...or maybe I should say ALCOHOL IS NOT AS ADDICTIVE AS CRACK.

[wayne1218]

Dont use the 2 year old immaute thing on this one Wayne cause this is a topic I am fully informed about on both a factual and personal level. On other topics I may be mature about things but not on this one so your typical lash out of "grow you are so immature" will not work on this one...

When someone has a beer for the first time its a stupid decision from what you guys are saying. With alcoholism being such a wide spread addiction shouldnt they know better than to have that first beer knowing the possibility is out there just like crack or any other drugs of getting addicted? Or could it possibly be the fact that the avarage human being has an outlook of "it wont happen to me"??? ITS THE EXACT SAME FUCKING THING PLAIN AND SIMPLE ASK ANYONE IN THE FIELD OF ADDICTION STUDIES WHETHER LEGAL OR NOT WHETHER THE MEDIA HAS LABELLED AS "HARDER" THAN THE OTHER IT IS ALL A MIND ALTERING CHEMICAL THAT CAN HAVE THE EXACT SAME OUTCOME

Shocking but wrong chad.

I understand but everyone growing up knew of somebody who was an alcoholic right? Well, for every alcoholic you knew, i bet you knew 20 others that could drink at any time without addiction or abuse. That's my point. With alcohol it is easy to see a false sense of i can do it 'cuz you see many who can. You can't say that about crack and 99.9% of people who 1st tried it know that going in and they STILL do it. P rescription drugs are done alot of times by people who were on them at one time or another or by someone who has done big drugs before. That is no excuse but once again, it is in most homes and drug stores. You don't need to search hard for it. When you choose to do crack for the 1st time, you are putting a gun to your head imo and there is no "Maybe i won't get addicted" like with beer. Josh is a great story, i really believe that but all he did was fix his own fuck up imo. It was GREAT that he could but hey, he isn't a hero to many, just the ones who made the same "mistakes" he did.

This is what i said and there are many more facts here than opinions.

[Chado1]

Will never agree on this topic so thats fine. I have learned a lot more about you Wayne and the lack if respect for an alcoholic or addict by the words you have typed throughout this thread. You should be ashamed seriously. Would love to see the compassion you would show to someone in your family if they happen to end up down a similar road. maybe your outlook will change but until then keep your uninformed and uneducated opinion WIHTOUT FACTS to yourself please

Calling someone a fucking retard for experimenting with drugs being unaware that they may become addicted and making fun of them is all I needed to hear about the lack of a caring individual you are...its absolutely fucking sickening....

[wayne1218]

I'm not saying they make shit up ... I'm saying that they use all these politicly correct words and they all feel so sorry for you guys and make you out to be victims ... They say shit like "Oh, I know you had it hard" or "Well, it's ok now, we will help you."

Chad, did they really help you, or what is about YOU and YOUR CHOICE?

2 out of 30 Chado, that was just your class. How about the World wide totals. I would love to see them. These classes are a crock of shit IMO. It is all up to the individual.

Let me ask you Chado, were you still using crack while going to class?

EXACTLY why Chad wants everyone here to feel sorry for him. Also EXACTLY why he has not taken one bit of responsibility for his own actions when he chose that 1st hit of crack. It's not his fault and never will be. That initial choice when he said "Yes, i'll try it" was someone else' fault.

[wayne1218]

Dude, that crack must really fried your brain for good. You keep coming on here talking about "how many times you have to reitterate... for Wayne and I," when we are hte ones telling you countless times that ALCOHOL AND CRACK ARE NOT THE SAME. YOU AREN'T COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES. Yes, to answer your question, I'll give you that an argument can be made that trying beer for the first time is a bad decision, BUT THERE ARE LEVELS OF BAD DECISIONS. On a scale of 1-10, with 1 being a slightly bad decision, and 10 being a horirbly retarded decision, alcohol is about a 3, where crack is a 10. THERE IS NO SUBSTANCE ON THIS EARTH AS ADDICTIVE AS CRACK. ALCOHOL IS NOT AS ADDICTIVE AS CRACK. Let me see if can can explain this anohter way ALCOHOL IS NOT AS ADDITCVE AS CRACK...or maybe I should say ALCOHOL IS NOT AS ADDICTIVE AS CRACK.

[Chado1]

The funniest thing about all this just because I am "Chado" all your responses are being sqeued because of your lack of respect towards my intelligence from previous occurences on the forum. If this was any other alcoholic or addict that you were having this discussion with I bet you would take them more seriously and for that I am done responding because your replies are all biased.

[wayne1218]

Will never agree on this topic so thats fine. I have learned a lot more about you Wayne and the lack if respect for an alcoholic or addict by the words you have typed throughout this thread. You should be ashamed seriously. Would love to see the compassion you would show to someone in your family if they happen to end up down a similar road. maybe your outlook will change but until then keep your uninformed and uneducated opinion WIHTOUT FACTS to yourself please

Calling someone a fucking retard for experimenting with drugs being unaware that they may become addicted and making fun of them is all I needed to hear about the lack of a caring individual you are...its absolutely fucking sickening....

GOOD!!!!


You know i feel no sympathy for Crack addicts and never will. In fact, i look at most and usually say either "What a waste" or "What a loser". You want the truth, that's it. I don't think that of cancer patients or people with other diseases. If you want to talk about alcoholics and that addiction, feel free. I don't feel sorry for most of them either but i do have a ton more sympathy for some.

[jcindaville]

What a thread, wow.

[Chado1]

WOW !!!!! chado and frankb03 are correct regarding addiction. I KNOW they are right and they KNOW exactly what i mean when i say that

Theres no point Mr Pain and thats why frank gave up on this issue as he stated earlier in this thread I should have also. Its like trying to explain to my mother the whole thing about why. People have not went through it themselves will never know and NEVER FUCKIGN KNOW. She and others throughout this thread will NEVER understand as much as they THINK they fucking do.

Anyway thats enough of trying to explain to the non alcoholic and addict. It always ends up nowhere and not just on this forum in life in general trying to explain.

[Chado1]

The word disease is used because it fits. Thank God for Chad because without that crutch, where would he be?

This is one of the most classic comments from a non-alcoholic and non-addict...straight ignorance is what this is....

[Lsufan]

EXACTLY why Chad wants everyone here to feel sorry for him. Also EXACTLY why he has not taken one bit of responsibility for his own actions when he chose that 1st hit of crack. It's not his fault and never will be. That initial choice when he said "Yes, i'll try it" was someone else' fault.

Correct Wayne.

These classes teach that they are the "victim", or they hung around the wrong crowd and peer pressure kicked it. They say shit like " Well, we understand, it's not your fault. You are just a victim of a shitty circumstance."

EVERYONE I've personally helped in 14 years of police work are still free and clear of drugs today. And when we spoke, I never sugar coated anything, or used politically correct words. I spoke from the heart and the truth.

All of them were told from the start they they fucked up. It was their choice to start. Some disagreed with me saying it was part of being in their gang. Well, it's still BS. Don't be in the gang!!! It was their choice!!!

[DDP713]

I thought this was a Josh Hamilton thread ?
You know what I have a lot of respect for most of the BC community but I don't get why wayne, kap and others continue to take shots at chad. I know he gets under a lot of peoples skin on here and its usually comical to me to read, but people on here are getting personal touching on sensitive subjects over a difference of opinion.

For chad to quit a drug like crack and alcohol, living 100% sober for a year and 4 months is truly an accomplishment in my book, I dont care what anyone says.
I agree that it was his choice to put the crack pipe to his mouth that first time, and obviously it wasn't the greatest thing to have happened to him at the time....but it happened, theres nothing you can do but accept it, learn from it and eventually embrace that time period because if you don't your only hurting yourself more.....

and when he's talking about beer and crack obviously theres a mile difference between the two drugs but they are drugs no matter what is legal and illegal....I can do absolutely nothing with my life, legally drinking beer and alcohol everyday. What's socially accepted shouldn't be the standard here....

JOSH HAMILTON could've turned into an alcoholic just as easily as he turned into a crack addict. And today's Josh Hamilton story might be his continuing struggle trying to get to the big leagues, hitting .280 in A ball still trying to quit drinking......im saying if he had chosen alcohol as his "crutch" while he was injured for that year, he might not be where he is today. because alcohol is legal and accepted in america, therefor many alcoholics don't accept that they have a problem. im sure there are many BC members sitting or standing at work right now fantasizing about the 18 pack there going to buy after work.

[Kaptain]

Chado

The funniest thing about all this just because I am "Chado" all your responses are being sqeued because of your lack of respect towards my intelligence from previous occurences on the forum. If this was any other alcoholic or addict that you were having this discussion with I bet you would take them more seriously and for that I am done responding because your replies are all biased.

My son just read this and says here comes the insecurity......

Nothing is his fault.....
We're picking on him....
He's evading responsibilty.....
Argument not going his way....time to fade away....
We don't respect him or his views.....
He's the only one right....all others are wrong...irresponsible...
Reference to ...any other alcoholic/addict....means....poor me
We're all biased, now it's our Fault....