Sunday's Painful Loss

[casheasy]

The ONLY reason

That line moved Sunday was because of Phil Steele. No other line ever moves like his big releases. It used to be only his College picks. Hell, his 5* GOM two weeks ago moved the line 2 points in 2 minutes. That's 120 seconds. That had nothing to do with "wiseguy money".

His pro selections do this was well. He had a release in Preseason that moved the line 2 points in 1 minute. I repeat, 1 minute. Give me a break. You can say he isn't that good. But somebody thinks he commands enough respect that they better move the line before anybody bets into it or they'll get crushed.

[neyland]

Finner...the reason you won't see professional sports fixed is simple risk/reward. The participants make way too much $$ to make it worthwhile.

[savage1]

Casheasy-I have been following sports services seem they came into vogue in the late 70's.
Before the widespread advent of the computer and the sharing of picks, a service could give out a pick(s) and unless you paid for it and/or you had a buddy who purchased it/them and gave it to you , you had virtually no way of knowing what the pick(s) was.
Back then service picks had little effect on the line.
Today however literally thousands of people can get say Phil Steele's or any other services heralded play(s) in an instant and play it online.
To think that Vegas or the offshores don't move the lines in anticipation of the resultant avalanche of plays on this play(s) is just naivete taken to the max.
It is 100% certainty that the games you cited from Phil Steele/Northcoast had a HUGE impact on the line, and again anyone who says line moved primarily for reasons other than that in my estimation lives in a fantasy world.
As we all knows computers have impacted our lives in many ways, and as gamblers it is obvious that the shared wealth of information/handicapping selections and the repercussions on the line is something which cannot be questioned.

[peanut]

if some games are fixed its probably the refs or coaches instead of the players for the most part especially in the pros. for instance in football the coaches know each others play calling plan----- what defense to run to either stop the offense or let them move it up the field easily. also look at the increasingly sorry refs and umps--- maybe they have always sucked but with more and better replays we notice it more----- did anybody see the skins and cowboys--- i didnt bet it but refs were a joke--- also timeout use by the skins--- maybe they didnt want any left for late in the game. and what about the stock market--- remember all the day traders that lost their asses a few years back. the masses will always get hammered---- but as a gambler i try to use this to my advantage--- i think this gives me a slight edge to overcome the vig in the long run.---lem banker said years ago to fade public perception in his book from the early eighties and he is known as maybe the best sports gambler of all time.

[Stripe]

Neyland

Your living in a fantasy world. You are correct, participants are making too much $$$ in what is called professional sports. However, you should understand that the players today are MUCH different then the the players of 30-40 years ago, and beyond. Millions of $$$ are paid to these professionals, and millions of $$$ they squander every minute of the day. When recess is over there will be nothing left. Allen Iverson is a prime example of todays athlete. Paid posse 24/7, 2 or 3 R/Royce, top of line BMW's, multiple babes on the side, you name it. Most of these athletes came with nothing, and more then likely will leave with nothing. In the meantime, they will participate in "fix" games, and the only one who will understand the fix will be the players involve, and yes, suckers like you and I who pick the wrong side of the ATS, so that these bastards can receive their payout. :angryfire

[CoverBoy]

I wish !!!

I wish we had one or several learned and experienced sports psychologists to come on in and provide their insights.

Maybe the money , adulation and all the glory come too easy for some athletes and with most origionating from dirt poor backgrounds there could be a substantial amount of GUILT harbored within.

This may lead to a deep down desire to fail ... financially or in other ways .... maybe there's the need for crime in their lives ... Drug Dealing , Rape , Murder ... We've all seen the inside of a courtroom on T.V. now ... Haven't we ?

I am not stereotyping here .. please understand that ... it can and has happened to jocks from all walks of life..

Hey you all don't get crazy on me now .. I'm just throwing these ideas out there for discussion ... NOT A PIER 6 BRAWL. LOL

I don't think, however , that what I proposed is too far fetched .

After all , most gamblers have a deep down psychological desire to lose. And you can ask any bookie that question. If he's straight with you , he'll agree with me.

I wish we had the opinions of trained professionals.

Take care all,

-CB

[neyland]

you don't have a whole lot of ability to thin k things out peanut if you really think a player making $100,000 a game is going to fix it so that he can win half that much and at the same time jeopardize a future with many millions more. Or did you think it was just a coincidence that ALL the fixing schemes you hear about are in college sports? Some of you people need to THINK.