Which is the better Football program?

[kbsooner21]

I will look. They did beat GT last year in the bowl, but you may be right.

I know they lost last year to Texas A&M who finished 5th in the Big 12 south. And Oregon I believe.

[wayne1218]

And, if I remember correctly, that was Fresno St that beat #13 Kansas St at Kansas in 2001, 45-21.



KAZ

If you have to go back to 2001 to find a big win and it was Kansas St ... You are only proving KB's point. Go bake some lobster and re-think things.

[BillMill71]

I just looked. They lose to the top teams and beat the shitty ones like Kansas St.

Only looking at more legitimate teams, mixed results -

2002

Lose to Wisc by 2
Lose to Oregon by 4
Beat GT (Bowl)

2003

Lose to Tenn by 18
Lose to Oklahoma by 24
Beat UCLA (Bowl)

2004

Beat Washington
Beat Kansas St
Beat Viriginia (Bowl)

2005

Lose to Oregon by 3
Lose to USC by 8
Lose to Tulsa by 7 (Bowl)

2006

Lose to Oregon by 7
Lose to Washington by 1

2007

Lose to Texas A&M by 2
Lose to Oregon by 31
Beat Kansas St
Beat GT (Bowl)

[griswold]

2nd most wins doesn't tell me shit. Are they playing the USC's of the world or the Iowa State's?

Actually, their biggest claim to fame is that they almost beat USC and borke their winning streak a few years ago.

My point is that they can't beat Boise or Hawaii so can't be considered a great program

[KazDog]

Good for you Kaz. You beat a powerhouse (5-7) Kansas St team at home last year. You should be proud!

I agree

Good for me? I'm not the Fresno St football team.

You said they'd go 2-8 n the Big 12 and only beat Baylor and Iowa. Just thought I'd prove you wrong again because you have no clue as to why they had to schedule Rutgers.....The Big 12 and Kansas St got an ass whipping. I dont care what their record was. And they were big pussys pulling out this year. Try and make that look good all you want.

And if Fresno was in the big 12, their recruiting would be much better. Hill is a great coach and has done more with little compared to OU who's done little wth much, much more...

[BillMill71]

If you have to go back to 2001 to find a big win and it was Kansas St ... You are only proving KB's point. Go bake some lobster and re-think things.

True, out of conference, out of bowl, biggest win has to be Colorado in 2001

[KazDog]

Actually, their biggest claim to fame is that they almost beat USC and borke their winning streak a few years ago.

My point is that they can't beat Boise or Hawaii so can't be considered a great program

We beat UCLA and USC in a bowl game.....

KAZ

[wayne1218]

Only looking at more legitimate teams, mixed results -

2002

Lose to Wisc by 2
Lose to Oregon by 4
Beat GT (Bowl)

2003

Lose to Tenn by 18
Lose to Oklahoma by 24
Beat UCLA (Bowl)

2004

Beat Washington
Beat Kansas St
Beat Viriginia (Bowl)

2005

Lose to Oregon by 3
Lose to USC by 8
Lose to Tulsa by 7 (Bowl)

2006

Lose to Oregon by 7
Lose to Washington by 1

2007

Lose to Texas A&M by 2
Lose to Oregon by 31
Beat Kansas St
Beat GT (Bowl)

Kansas St was a bottom feeder in '04 (4-7) and Washington was a bottom feeder too at a whopping (1-10) that year. Last year Kansas St was (5-7). Even UCLA ended the 03' year at (6-7). Georgia Tech was (7-6) last year. I guess i'm still looking for a "Big" Win against a power conference team with a good record.

[kbsooner21]

Good for me? I'm not the Fresno St football team.

You said they'd go 2-8 n the Big 12 and only beat Baylor and Iowa. Just thought I'd prove you wrong again because you have no clue as to why they had to schedule Rutgers.....The Big 12 and Kansas St got an ass whipping. I dont care what their record was. And they were big pussys pulling out this year. Try and make that look good all you want.

And if Fresno was in the big 12, their recruiting would be much better. Hill is a great coach and has done more with little compared to OU who's done little wth much, much more...

I don't guess 5 conference titles in the last 8 years means much to you?? That's pretty funny. I can think of about 105 other teams that would die to underachieve like that.

[kbsooner21]

We beat UCLA and USC in a bowl game.....

KAZ

You also lost to BOWLING GREEN!!!

That's way beside the point though.

[wayne1218]

Fresno St and Oklahoma have 1 thing in common and that's it. Neither team can beat Boise St.

[kbsooner21]

Fresno St and Oklahoma have 1 thing in common and that's it. Neither team can beat Boise St.

OUCH

[KazDog]

I dont think we are an elite program. I think we do pretty good for the talent we get to come there and overachieve for the most part. Trent Dilfer, David Carr, Billy Volek, Michael Pitman, Henry Ellard, Logan Mankins, Bernard Berrian, Lorenzo Neal

[kbsooner21]

I dont think we are an elite program.

Backpedal anyone?

[wayne1218]

OUCH

Sorry, 1 dig on you for every 20 i give to Fresno St!