Deshawn Stevenson

[wayne1218]

Stevenson needs to shave that fucken mop off of his chin. Until he does, i just can't take him seriously ......

[live jive]

A pitcher would have to win 25 games per year for 20 straight years to reach 500 wins. Is there a record out there that has zero chance of ever being broken like that one?

has to be one of toughest to beat i think pete rose hit record never come close 3,000 hits tough to get these days let alone 4200+...210 hits a yr for 20 yrs

[live jive]

no way nolan ryan no-hit record come close u dont have guys even have more than one these days so 7 is unlikely

[LVJimmy]

Stevenson needs to shave that fucken mop off of his chin. Until he does, i just can't take him seriously ......

Add that to the fact he's averaging a whole 11 pts in the playoffs and you have yourself quite a ballplayer!

Maybe soonerbud and Stevenson have something going cuz THEY BOTH LOVE TO HATE!

[wayne1218]

no way nolan ryan no-hit record come close u dont have guys even have more than one these days so 7 is unlikely

I guess i was talking about more prominent records. Wins with pitchers, hits or HR's with hitters, TD's with RB's or WR's, goals by hockey players. Out of the games bigger noted records, i don't think wins will ever have anyone who approaches 400, let alone 500.

[live jive]

Add that to the fact he's averaging a whole 11 pts in the playoffs and you have yourself quite a ballplayer!

Maybe soonerbud and Stevenson have something going cuz THEY BOTH LOVE TO HATE!

u want to talk overrated we got the wrong guy its not james its arenas...guy quoted sayin he an assassin and best w. time runnin out didnt look too good most of day or on final shot...what has he ever done?? cant even win one series but we hear how "agent zero" is a good player plus he always hurt thats an overrated player

[ULikeApples]

The whole overrated argument has NOTHING to do with what I started this thread about, but I may as well chime in some on that. I guess it all depends on whose "rating" you use. If you are using the benchmark of "best player in the NBA" or "top 3 player in the NBA" then no, he isn't overrated. I'm sure some folks would say Kobe, some Paul, and some other people, and no one would be wrong. A reasonable person could think that any of those people were the best player in the NBA.

I think if you looked at it in terms of "best current NBA player you'd want to start a team with", then him, Paul, and Dwight Howard would be 1-3 in some order. Again, any reasonable person could mix those three in any order and have a logical reason.

Now, if you're talking about all-time, that's a different matter. I don't know of many in the media who doesn't preface their praise of LeBron's long term ranking with something along the lines of he "might be one of the best ever when all is said is done." Now if you're taking one person saying that, as of right now, LeBron is one the best ever, then yeah, that's hogwash. Now you might be able to say he is the best ever at his age. I don't think anyone could call him overrated for his age. It's a different time now in terms of kids going pro early, but individually and skill-wise he is most like the most advanced 23 y/o ever.

[frankb03]

A pitcher would have to win 25 games per year for 20 straight years to reach 500 wins. Is there a record out there that has zero chance of ever being broken like that one?

I agree! It'll NEVER be broken. NEVER!

[ogarza]

Its all ESPN...the comparison to Jordan comes from the similarities of their games...also like Kobe all 3 are big guards, who pass well, rebound, and are prolific scorers...thats why they are compared to Mike...just like Howard will be compared to Duncan and Shaq because they are dominant big men, its how it works...but in no way does it make him overrated...ESPN runs out of shit to talk about so they make these comparisons and start these polls to give themselves shit to talk about...i dont watch any NHL ever...but how do i know who Crosby is because all i hear is he is the next Gretsky...has Crosby won anything i dont believe he has so how can they compare him to Gretsky its the same shit with lebron and mike...just gives them a scale to rate these guys...are u going to tell me know that Crosby is overrated as well and not Great...his skills make him great ring or no ring...same with lebron...u say he has incredible skills and talent that is where his greatness comes from...same with Marino, Garnett, Barkley, Malone and other GREATS who never won a RING....i would take these guys before Horry, Haslem, Paxon, Kenny Smith and other guys with RINGS

[Kaptain]

to name just 5, leaves out too many equally great plaers in MLB.....

i,e,......

Clemente
Spahn
Young---as Wayne said,
Koufax


IMO
Ruth
Gehrig
Diamggio
Mays
Williams are the first 5 I think of, and my all t9me greates, IMO, is Williams.....

10 would be more ppropriate, but even then to determine an all time top ten list in any sport, is difficult, and highly argumentative enhancing.....

Tough to do......

I also think, a persons team Does NOT have to win a championship, for one person to establish himself as great......

then you're talking about great TEAMS, made great, by having these great players on their roster....

It could go on, and on, as it always does.........

[Kaptain]

wayne

I guess i was talking about more prominent records. Wins with pitchers, hits or HR's with hitters, TD's with RB's or WR's, goals by hockey players. Out of the games bigger noted records, i don't think wins will ever have anyone who approaches 400, let alone 500.

totaly agree-----one of the reason being, Pitchers don't pitch as often, the Old Timers never had Mid, Late Relievers, Closers, hell, they pitched double headers.....

In todays modern era of BaseBall, this record is gonna stay intact......

as well as the 56 game hitting streak IMO, but that one could possibley be broken, but I doubt it....

[frankb03]

Ruth
Gehrig
Diamggio
Mays
Williams

Same 5 as my top-5

[frankb03]

I also think, a persons team Does NOT have to win a championship, for one person to establish himself as great......

I agree. However, if you don't win a championship or two, ala Brady, to be consider one of the greatest you have to be in the league more than 5 years.

[Kaptain]

frankb03

I agree. However, if you don't win a championship or two, ala Brady, to be consider one of the greatest you have to be in the league more than 5 years.

also agree with that statement....one must pay his dues with a lil longevity, hard to put a time frame on it, 5-7 years sounds fair..........

Nothing against some of these guys opinions, as they know their sports, but not being old enough to have seen some of the greats of the 40's/50's play, makes it hard to decide....

If you broke it down to the best
of the
30's
40's
50's
60's
70's
80's
90's
Modern since 2000

then broke em down after that, you'd have a better overview IMO

[ULikeApples]

The whole overrated argument has NOTHING to do with what I started this thread about, but I may as well chime in some on that. I guess it all depends on whose "rating" you use. If you are using the benchmark of "best player in the NBA" or "top 3 player in the NBA" then no, he isn't overrated. I'm sure some folks would say Kobe, some Paul, and some other people, and no one would be wrong. A reasonable person could think that any of those people were the best player in the NBA.

I think if you looked at it in terms of "best current NBA player you'd want to start a team with", then him, Paul, and Dwight Howard would be 1-3 in some order. Again, any reasonable person could mix those three in any order and have a logical reason.

Now, if you're talking about all-time, that's a different matter. I don't know of many in the media who doesn't preface their praise of LeBron's long term ranking with something along the lines of he "might be one of the best ever when all is said is done." Now if you're taking one person saying that, as of right now, LeBron is one the best ever, then yeah, that's hogwash. Now you might be able to say he is the best ever at his age. I don't think anyone could call him overrated for his age. It's a different time now in terms of kids going pro early, but individually and skill-wise he is most like the most advanced 23 y/o ever.

Any comment on this viewpoint soonerbud?