Deshawn Stevenson

[LVJimmy]

So with your logic.....Barry Bonds is one of the top 5 baseball players of all time....he holds THE record........so if I understand you right that makes him one of the Top 5 baseball players of all time. Or let me guess that is different, somehow he doesn't fit in your "numbers makes you great theory".......also, I am dying to know your top 5 QB's of all time.....please enlighten me.

Barry Bonds was on Roids so his numbers are flawed, yes.

My Top 5 QBs

Marino
Brady
Elway
Montana
Favre

By the time he retires, Manning will be in this list...not sure who gets knocked out.

[molta02]

name 5 baseball players (non pitchers) than barry bonds. enlighten me. and make sure you don't pick ted williams- he never won.

[LVJimmy]

And it goes silent, because the "numbers make you great theory has a HUGE flaw in it" lmao

Yea, usually NUMBERS ARE WHAT DICTATE WHETHER OR NOT YOU MAKE THE HALL OF FAME SO YES, THEY ARE A BIG FACTOR IN DETERMINING GREATNESS.

[LVJimmy]

name 5 baseball players (non pitchers) than barry bonds. enlighten me. and make sure you don't pick ted williams- he never won.

Did Hank Aaron ever win a title?

If not, he's not in the group.

[molta02]

yes he won 1.

[soonerbud]

OMG....you just told me everything I need to know about why you think James is so GREAT! Could you tell me the other four that you disgrace with the presence of the "cheater".....for the sake of the honor of truly great players, don't include Cobb, Dimaggio, Mantle, or any truly great players. What a joke the greatest cheater of all time as a top 5 player.....talks alot to your character pal

[bryce]

Here we go again.......so someone has an opinion that is not of the majority so he is an IDIOT.......you guys kill me, and Bryce you dissapoint me, you usually show alot of class. Point is as I have said from DAY ONE a year ago, What has he done???? Some one earlier made the same claim about Paul being great, another person wrote why because he has a 2-0 lead in a series against Mavs. James is sooo overated and the media makes sure he is that way..........what on his resume AT THIS POINT OF HIS CAREER MAKES HIM GREAT??? Thats like putting Tim Duncan and Charles Barkley in the same catagory or Tim Duncan and Karl Malone in the same catagory. Win something Lebron, then you can be the GREAT player all these "followers" want to claim you as. So Jimmy am I to gather from your comments about James, that anyone who DISAGREES with your opinion on James is an IDIOT?

Sooner buddy!! Hey I try to stay away from this stuff. But ya know it comes down to seeing 90% of Cleveland games during the year as I do live in Columbus. I feel LeBron is a stud...the best over no..but he does make his team better. Here is the thing we can go round and round about A particular subject and this is the second year that this subject has haunted this board. I saw the foul as flagrant and if it was against-Boston-Atlanta-Houston- or whoever I would say the same thing---1 game suspension. Sooner you feel that championships measures one players greatness. I really don't believe that-anyhow I did not mean any harm and I didn't reply for no other reason than it was a flagrant foul and the guy should be out of the next game. Again you feel strongly about LeBron and that is cool with me--everyone has there right to their opinion. Take care.

[soonerbud]

Simple:
Mantle
Mays
Cobb
Aaron
Dimaggio
And for their time you could easily throw in Ruth, Gehrig, Pete Rose, wow not only all great players.....BUT all CHAMPIONS!!

[molta02]

OMG....you just told me everything I need to know about why you think James is so GREAT! Could you tell me the other four that you disgrace with the presence of the "cheater".....for the sake of the honor of truly great players, don't include Cobb, Dimaggio, Mantle, or any truly great players. What a joke the greatest cheater of all time as a top 5 player.....talks alot to your character pal

i never said anything about his character. steroids weren't banned or tested for by his sport, so i won't hold it against him.

and ty cobb was one of the biggest racist pigs ever. but thats ok, he didnt do steroids. pal.


and while everyone on your list is a great player, throw away the 'nostalgia' factor, and you really can say any of them are better than bonds.

[molta02]

Simple:
Mantle
Mays
Cobb
Aaron
Dimaggio
And for their time you could easily throw in Ruth, Gehrig, Pete Rose, wow not only all great players.....BUT all CHAMPIONS!!

pete rose. wow. he broke the cardinal rule of any sport, but thats okay. he didn't juice.

[LVJimmy]

Simple:
Mantle
Mays
Cobb
Aaron
Dimaggio
And for their time you could easily throw in Ruth, Gehrig, Pete Rose, wow not only all great players.....BUT all CHAMPIONS!!

HAHA, you have Babe Ruth listed as an add-on, and that's all I need to knwo about your thought processes.

[molta02]

HAHA, you have Babe Ruth listed as an add-on, and that's all I need to knwo about your thought processes.

yeah, i guess you could throw him on the list.

[soonerbud]

The character flaw was towards you, if you consider Bonds one of the greatest of all time, then cheating is "good with you" if you can turn a "blind eye" with your "steriods weren't banned or tested" then I can see why you have such a hard time judging greatness.....and if you for one minute can compare Bonds to Mantle or Mays you tell me all I need to know. Nostalgia factor, try GREATNESS factor.......please come to the table with facts OK pal, again championships matter

[LVJimmy]

The character flaw was towards you, if you consider Bonds one of the greatest of all time, then cheating is "good with you" if you can turn a "blind eye" with your "steriods weren't banned or tested" then I can see why you have such a hard time judging greatness.....and if you for one minute can compare Bonds to Mantle or Mays you tell me all I need to know. Nostalgia factor, try GREATNESS factor.......please come to the table with facts OK pal, again championships matter

Of course they matter, BUT THEY AREN'T THE END ALL FACTOR OF WHETHER OR NOT SOMEONE IS GREAT. If I had 5 hrs to waste, I could make a list of so-called "great" players WHO NEVER WON A TITLE.

[soonerbud]

What does Rose as a manager have to do with Rose as a player.....NOTHING! Two seperate positions, I bet you are one of those who thinks he should NOT be in the Hall, but you call Bonds one of the Top 5 of all time.....listen to yourself what a joke!