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While those guys are very talented, what have they done when the pressure is on? How has Kenny Rogers faired in the glare of a pennant race (on more than one team, I might add)? And arguably the ebst bullpen in baseball? They have some very good relievers...but Todd Jones? Any bullpen that has him as a closer cannot be arguable the best bullpen....Three Jack's Record http://www.bettorschat.com/forums/sh...10#post1323910
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Please dont tell me you think your team has the best bullpen with weak ass Wagner as your closer do ya?? Jones is better than him i promise ya that..Originally posted by Three JackWhile those guys are very talented, what have they done when the pressure is on? How has Kenny Rogers faired in the glare of a pennant race (on more than one team, I might add)? And arguably the ebst bullpen in baseball? They have some very good relievers...but Todd Jones? Any bullpen that has him as a closer cannot be arguable the best bullpen....
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I never mentioned the Mets once. And I love when you make bold statements as it shows your true knowldge...Jones better than Wagner...HAHAHAHAHAHHA!Originally posted by TMAC951Please dont tell me you think your team has the best bullpen with weak ass Wagner as your closer do ya?? Jones is better than him i promise ya that..
You love Journeymen don't you! How are 2 of the 3 best pitchers (that's what you called them, not me) on the Yankees doing...Aaron Small and Shawn Chacon? As a talent evaluator, you rate slightly below Isiah Thomas!Three Jack's Record http://www.bettorschat.com/forums/sh...10#post1323910
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Remember its about Wins or Losses but in this case SAVES VS BLOWN SAVES.. Get your head out of the HaterAide and look who has more blown saves Wagner or Jones?? POINT MADE END OF STORY.. Jones has 24 saves Wagner has 18.. Remember what you said records dont have pictures by them just the STATS.. NUFF SAID!!Originally posted by Three JackI never mentioned the Mets once. And I love when you make bold statements as it shows your true knowldge...Jones better than Wagner...HAHAHAHAHAHHA!
You love Journeymen don't you! How are 2 of the 3 best pitchers (that's what you called them, not me) on the Yankees doing...Aaron Small and Shawn Chacon? As a talent evaluator, you rate slightly below Isiah Thomas!
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CHIRP.... CHIRP...CHIRPOriginally posted by TMAC951Remember its about Wins or Losses but in this case SAVES VS BLOWN SAVES.. Get your head out of the HaterAide and look who has more blown saves Wagner or Jones?? POINT MADE END OF STORY.. Jones has 24 saves Wagner has 18.. Remember what you said records dont have pictures by them just the STATS.. NUFF SAID!!
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The more you speak the more it is evident you have a basic knowledge of sports. Discussing this stuff with you is sometimes comical. Does it matter that Jones has 5 more save opps? Does it matter that Wagner has more wins? Does it matter THAT WAGNER HAS BETTER STATS IN EVERY OTHER CATEGORY EXCEPT BLOWN SAVES AND THAT IS ONLY BY 1 BS?Originally posted by TMAC951Remember its about Wins or Losses but in this case SAVES VS BLOWN SAVES.. Get your head out of the HaterAide and look who has more blown saves Wagner or Jones?? POINT MADE END OF STORY.. Jones has 24 saves Wagner has 18.. Remember what you said records dont have pictures by them just the STATS.. NUFF SAID!!
I think you need to attend a sports seminar! You did say Araon Small was better than Glavine, right? You did say Chacon and Small were two of only three quality pitchers the Yankees have, right? THANK GOD YOU THINK JONES IS BETTER THAN WAGNER!
Three Jack's Record http://www.bettorschat.com/forums/sh...10#post1323910
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Where's MCP.....would you take Wagner for Jones straight up?Three Jack's Record http://www.bettorschat.com/forums/sh...10#post1323910
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I will answer that for you. I think Jones Sucks. He is the only guy I the tigers that in my opinion SUCKSOriginally posted by Three JackWhere's MCP.....would you take Wagner for Jones straight up?
I would take Wagner any day1 of 1 Morons

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Any baseball fan would, and that is not to say that Wagner is great...you said it best....Originally posted by HomerI will answer that for you. I think Jones Sucks. He is the only guy I the tigers that in my opinion SUCKS
I would take Wagner any day
He has actually pitched for 8 teams the last 6 yrs!Three Jack's Record http://www.bettorschat.com/forums/sh...10#post1323910
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Another game another Jones save.. Opps make that save #25 on the season for TJ!!Originally posted by TMAC951Remember its about Wins or Losses but in this case SAVES VS BLOWN SAVES.. Get your head out of the HaterAide and look who has more blown saves Wagner or Jones?? POINT MADE END OF STORY.. Jones has 24 saves Wagner has 18.. Remember what you said records dont have pictures by them just the STATS.. NUFF SAID!!
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Big deal. a 1-run save vs the KANSAS CITY ROYALSOriginally posted by wayne1218Did someone say bullpen?
I believe Mr. Papelbon recorded his 3rd one run save today in the last 3 days.
meaiken where are you (crickets, crickets, crickets)?
Lats see what happens when the bases are loaded with a 1 run lead vs the Yankees or White Sox (oh wait he already blew a 1 run game vs the White Sox)Good Luck to everyone
Adam
Richie: [after Gus hits a homerun] Wow and he did it without steroids.
Clark: What's steroids?
Richie: Something that makes your pee-pee smaller.
Clark: There must be steroids in macaroni!
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WAGNER SUCKS
Too many big blown saves.Good Luck to everyone
Adam
Richie: [after Gus hits a homerun] Wow and he did it without steroids.
Clark: What's steroids?
Richie: Something that makes your pee-pee smaller.
Clark: There must be steroids in macaroni!
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Lemme tell you this about T Jones.....his save % is very respectable. I might not like how he goes about his business gettin that save but for the most part he does his job.
ERAs for closers can be very misleading if they get shelled once or they pitch in a game where they are just getting work in they usually get drilled.
First and foremost what is that save %.....Jones does get the job done and to answer the question I would have to say NO......I wouldnt replace Jones with Wagner.
Its a short list of active closers I would replace Jones with and they are Rivera, K Rod, Smoltz, Benitez, and I cant think of any others. I say this simply because I am talking only of postseason and not regular season.
PEACE
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