Clash over proposed Ground Zero mosque

[buddyluv1968]

husker, i do not have hatred to muslims or ANY other races. My daughter is married to an Asian man. He was born in America, speaks English and serves in the US Army and has been in Iraq.
But when we can't even allow our children to pray at school or say a prayer before a football game and then the President comes and gives his ok for the mosque - I have a major problem with that.
I feel everyone has a right to their religious beliefs - but that fucking includes ME !!! And my kids or grandkids can't say a prayer BECAUSE it offends others and then the douche bag President oks a mosque in such a sensitive area - there is something SEVERELY wrong with that.
Why isn't Obama fighting to allow MY right to pray in schools or events, etc?
And before any one starts saying this is an Obama hatred thing, I would say the same about ANY President that fucking insensitive. There is NO excuse in my opinion.
At worst, Obama should have had NO opinion on this but no, he gives his fucking blessing !!! I have a problem with that and so should ANY American who believes in the flag and OUR country.

You know the same bill of rights that gives us the right to bare arms is the the same document that says FREEDOM OF RELIGION. You really do not want to get into a situation where we pick and choose things out of the bill of rights...

[baseballdave]

You know the same bill of rights that gives us the right to bare arms is the the same document that says FREEDOM OF RELIGION. You really do not want to get into a situation where we pick and choose things out of the bill of rights...

Why not? I THOUGHT I had the right to say a prayer with my team before a game or after, but apparently I don't.

I am NOT knocking freedom of religion.

My bitch here is that the President will give the ok for a mosque to be built in a sensitive area where it is OBVIOUS the majority of the people who live there DO NOT want it.
Yet the same President WILL NOT fight for the right of people to pray to God in schools or events when it is OBIVIOUS that the majority of the people would support it.

[Jamaicanman]

You know the same bill of rights that gives us the right to bare arms is the the same document that says FREEDOM OF RELIGION. You really do not want to get into a situation where we pick and choose things out of the bill of rights...

Can you explain how this is stopping any Muslim from freely practicing their religion? Or how it forces somone to have to follow ANY religion? Where does it state in the Bill of Rights where any religious building can/can't be built?


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

[buddyluv1968]

Why not? I THOUGHT I had the right to say a prayer with my team before a game or after, but apparently I don't.

I am NOT knocking freedom of religion.

My bitch here is that the President will give the ok for a mosque to be built in a sensitive area where it is OBVIOUS the majority of the people who live there DO NOT want it.
Yet the same President WILL NOT fight for the right of people to pray to God in schools or events when it is OBIVIOUS that the majority of the people would support it.

The difference is that one is a public entity and the other is private. If you go to a private school you can pray as much as you want.

[Spark]

[buddyluv1968]

Can you explain how this is stopping any Muslim from freely practicing their religion? Or how it forces somone to have to follow ANY religion? Where does it state in the Bill of Rights where any religious building can/can't be built?


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I will after you explain to me how you can stop someone from purchasing, building a structure or opening an institution as long as all codes and laws are followed. You know I live in Kentucky and the KKK has a headquarters here that is reconized. Should they be shut down because we disagree with there opinions????

[Jamaicanman]

I will after you explain to me how you can stop someone from purchasing, building a structure or opening an institution as long as all codes and laws are followed. You know I live in Kentucky and the KKK has a headquarters here that is reconized. Should they be shut down because we disagree with there opinions????

Do you have a Constituitional Amendment to purchase or build a structure? Or opening an instituition?

You brought up the Constuitionality issue, not me. Nor did I bring up a zoning issue. Just b/c you can't back up your own post doesn't mean I have a problem with zoning laws.

[KazDog]

I will after you explain to me how you can stop someone from purchasing, building a structure or opening an institution as long as all codes and laws are followed. You know I live in Kentucky and the KKK has a headquarters here that is reconized. Should they be shut down because we disagree with there opinions????

You will get no answer to this question because you are exactly right. The Neocons are in here complaining about too much govt but yet they want the govt to step in and tell US citizens that own 'private property,' two blocks away from ground zero, that they have NO RIGHTS as US citizens to build a religious structure that follows all local ordinance codes and laws. There are plenty of KKK structures around this country. Pretty silly...

KAZ

[musclemann]

You will get no answer to this question because you are exactly right. The Neocons are in here complaining about too much govt but yet they want the govt to step in and tell US citizens that own 'private property,' two blocks away from ground zero, that they have NO RIGHTS as US citizens to build a religious structure that follows all local ordinance codes and laws. There are plenty of KKK structures around this country. Pretty silly...

KAZ

2 BLOCKS AWAY

[Jamaicanman]

You will get no answer to this question because you are exactly right. The Neocons are in here complaining about too much govt but yet they want the govt to step in and tell US citizens that own 'private property,' two blocks away from ground zero, that they have NO RIGHTS as US citizens to build a religious structure that follows all local ordinance codes and laws. There are plenty of KKK structures around this country. Pretty silly...

KAZ

Here is where you lose even more credibility, if even possible. I asked BL about his post on the loss of "Freedom of Religion". It sounds like you are saying that since local law can trump the Consituition, every local jurisdiction can enact laws as they see fit. Doesn't that go against the whole AZ lawsuit then?

Again, read and process. I am questioning BL's post on the Constituitionality, not zoning. Can you put up your gay porn shop right next to a school? Tobacco shop?

[Spark]

You will get no answer to this question because you are exactly right. The Neocons are in here complaining about too much govt but yet they want the govt to step in and tell US citizens that own 'private property,' two blocks away from ground zero, that they have NO RIGHTS as US citizens to build a religious structure that follows all local ordinance codes and laws. There are plenty of KKK structures around this country. Pretty silly...

KAZ

Kaz, just so I know for sure ... you are ok that our President supports this???

[robby_morini]

You will get no answer to this question because you are exactly right. The Neocons are in here complaining about too much govt but yet they want the govt to step in and tell US citizens that own 'private property,' two blocks away from ground zero, that they have NO RIGHTS as US citizens to build a religious structure that follows all local ordinance codes and laws. There are plenty of KKK structures around this country. Pretty silly...

KAZ

I don't think many question their right to build when and where they like. It is the "wisdom" of where they are building.

Glen Beck has a right to hold a rally later this month at the Lincoln Memorial to "honor" the MLK speech of 1963. I also have a right to disagree with his "wisdom" of choosing the location of this rally.

It cuts both ways.

[KazDog]

Here is where you lose even more credibility, if even possible. I asked BL about his post on the loss of "Freedom of Religion". It sounds like you are saying that since local law can trump the Consituition, every local jurisdiction can enact laws as they see fit. Doesn't that go against the whole AZ lawsuit then?

Again, read and process. I am questioning BL's post on the Constituitionality, not zoning. Can you put up your gay porn shop right next to a school? Tobacco shop?

Shove your "lose your credibility" shit. Why don't you tell us all what is unconstitutional about building a mosque on private property? And you're really going to compare a tobacco shop or gay porn shop next to a school, to a mosque? Really? And it's called the 'Constitution.' Read, process and spell....

[KazDog]

I don't think many question their right to build when and where they like. It is the "wisdom" of where they are building.

Glen Beck has a right to hold a rally later this month at the Lincoln Memorial to "honor" the MLK speech of 1963. I also have a right to disagree with his "wisdom" of choosing the location of this rally.

It cuts both ways.

Sure. You absolutely have the right to say you disagree with the wisdom and even show up and protest at the rally. But you don't have the right to deny someone building on private property as long as it complies with local laws. And I'm sure there are certain local laws that don't allow for a tobacco shop or gay shop next to a school.

KAZ

[KazDog]

Kaz, just so I know for sure ... you are ok that our President supports this???

Let's be clear here. He is supporting their right to build a mosque. But not endorsing the project. Read the two paragraphs from the Businessweek below. I absolutely agree with his statement.


Businessweek-
Sunday August 15, 2010

“I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making a decision to put a mosque there,” Obama said yesterday in Panama City, Florida, during a trip with his family to the Gulf of Mexico. “I was commenting very specifically on the right that people have that dates back to our founding. That is what our country is about. "

"As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country,” Obama said at the dinner. “That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances.”

KAZ