McCain picks Palin as running mate

[Bill the Thrill]

Father / Daughter Talk . . .Sending a Clear Message
>
> A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like
> so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal
> Democrat, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher
> taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of
> wealth.
>
> She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch
> Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she
> had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that
> her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he
> thought should be his.
>
> One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher
> taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The
> self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth
> and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing
> in school.
>
> Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA,
> and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was
> taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left
> her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even
> have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends
> because she spent all her time studying.
>
> Her father listened and then asked, 'How is your friend Audrey
> doing?' She replied, 'Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy
> classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular
> on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the
> parties and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's
> too hung over.'
>
> Her wise father asked his daughter, 'Why don't you go to the Dean's
> office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who
> only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that
> would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA.'
>
> The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily
> fired back, 'That's a crazy idea, and how would that be fair! I've worked
> really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard
> work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I
> worked my tail off!'
>
> The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, 'Welcome to the
> Republican party.'

[KazDog]

Thanks Kazdog for your thoughtful response.
I would certainly try what you suggest first before putting limitations on the number of children a family can have.
If they worked, then all fine and good.
My opinion though is that what you say is more theoretical than anything else, and that the problem goes beyond tax incentives and monetary incentives.
In the first place,your tax and monetary incentives would have to be huge to garner any interest-not the type that we have all received in under the Bush administration.
Also, whose to say that if a family accepted the money, they couldn't turn around at a later date and have another kid anyway and simply say the birth control method they used didn't work? Then what would/should the government do-throw them in a jail and/or ask for the money(which had probably already been spent) be returned?
As I stated in another post, I feel it is just a matter of time before the government out of necessity will impose limitations of the number of kids families can have, and that the loss of freedom issue you cite will be of no relevance.

I disagree. They won't take that freedom of having children, away. They might give incentives to not have kids, but they won't take it away.

And last time I checked, a hysterectomy is irreversible. And having a vasectomy or the implants or your tubes tied is rather difficult to reverse as well. We're not talking about popping birth control pills here.....

KAZ

[frankb03]

The bottom line is that no one addressed my questions if whether they beleive there is an overpopulation problem in this coun try and world, and if there is, what steps if any should be taken to alleviate it

I don't believe there's an overpopulation problem in the USA. There's a problem in the cities where there's a huge concentration of people. Anyone that flies can tell you there's huge pockets of unpopulated areas in this country. Even in my area of Florida. It's pretty desolate west of I95. The expansion is starting to move west.

I also don't believe this country has a problem with resources when it relates to our population.

[KazDog]

Kaz,

Never thought I would say this, but your post to savage makes you sound conservative. Are you converting?

I agree with very little about Obama but I applaud his stance on keeping family out of this crap, when you start attacking candidates children on either side, its just lower than low.

You and I dont agree much but I respect your opinions and hope we can keep the debates more civil. There are some who I care not to discuss or debate anymore with.

We are all Americans and when government or individuals want to start taking your freedom away its time to stand up against it. I have been a consistent supporter of smaller government for this very reason. In fact this is one of the problems I had with Bush, expansion of spending and more government.

Not allowing the government to take away freedoms, such as abortion, gambling and pornography is not Conservative ideology. It's just the opposite. Conservatives passed the gambling bill, have tried to overturn Roe v Wade and tried to abolish pornography and Larry Flynt et al.....

So I think i'm still on the right side here....

KAZ

[frankb03]

Paid for my wife? Hopefully you were as lucky as I am. Thank God I was lucky enough to find this loving and deeply religious lady, one who realizes what the real values in life are.

You want to limit the number of children families can give birth? At the same time you're increasing our 'overpopulation' because you can't find a spouse in America.

YES, that's hypocritical.

[flarendep1]

Not allowing the government to take away freedoms, such as abortion, gambling and pornography is not Conservative ideology. It's just the opposite. Conservatives passed the gambling bill, have tried to overturn Roe v Wade and tried to abolish pornography and Larry Flynt et al.....

So I think i'm still on the right side here....

KAZ

Certain restrictions are neccesary, should we legalize dope to children for example. Your view then could be considered Libertarian.
I like some of their stances but drugs is a legalizing drugs is not a good one.

[savage1]

Words and terms like freedom, constitutionality, less government, lower taxes, etc. are all great in theory.
However, times and situations can and do change, and what is and what was relevant in the past may not be in the future.
Our society and world is and has always been in a state of flux;sometimes we need to adapt out thinking in order to be in sync. with what is occuring and what will occur in the future.
I see overpopulation as a big problem now and an even a bigger one in the upcoming years.
I proposed a solution which I feel will be the only way to solve the problem(other than a war which could wipe out humanity).
It is obvious to me that others either do not see the problem in the same way as I do and/or feel that limiting the number of children should not be done no matter how dire the circumstances are.
I respect all legitmate opinions such as what Kazdog suggested.
To merely call my posts communist in nature or say I should move to China is not a very mature or thoughtful way of responding.

[KazDog]

Certain restrictions are neccesary, should we legalize dope to children for example. Your view then could be considered Libertarian.
I like some of their stances but drugs is a legalizing drugs is not a good one.

Honestly, marijuana is no different than alcohol. They are both drugs. If the government ever legalized marijuana and taxed it, we'd be out of debt in two months....

KAZ

[frankb03]

Honestly, I am so sick of both parties, their promises and subsequent lies. Bush and the democratic congress. They tell you what you want to hear and don't get nearly enough accomplished.

I agree 1000%

Fuck Obama! Fuck Biden! Fuck McCain! Fuck Palin!

I'm tired of all the BS from both parties. They're all self-serving scumbags. They're all thieves that only have their own interest at heart.

Vote 3rd party or don't vote at all! This country needs change. We won't get change if we keep voting across the century old party lines.

[BigWeiner]

Honestly, marijuana is no different than alcohol. They are both drugs. If the government ever legalized marijuana and taxed it, we'd be out of debt in two months....

KAZ

Yea but we'd have a bunch of potheads driving around, flying airplanes, etc. Fuck that. Weed should be illegal. People think it's harmless, well it's not, your fucking brain gets fried, you start forgetting everything, you get lazy, no motivation, just what we don't need in this country.

[savage1]

I don't believe there's an overpopulation problem in the USA. There's a problem in the cities where there's a huge concentration of people. Anyone that flies can tell you there's huge pockets of unpopulated areas in this country. Even in my area of Florida. It's pretty desolate west of I95. The expansion is starting to move west.

I also don't believe this country has a problem with resources when it relates to our population.

If everyone has as many childre as they wish to, then like rabbits, that in itself will cause the population to expand/grow until such time that there is little space.
Sure there are desolate areas, but are you condsidering such things as the amount of food, doctors, etc. which will or will not be available to feed and take care of multi billions of folks?

[KazDog]

I agree 1000%

Fuck Obama! Fuck Biden! Fuck McCain! Fuck Palin!

I'm tired of all the BS from both parties. They're all self-serving scumbags. They're all thieves that only have their own interest at heart.

Vote 3rd party or don't vote at all! This country needs change. We won't get change if we keep voting across the century old party lines.

I agree. I'm all for fucking Palin!

KAZ

[frankb03]

[QUOTE=savage1]
ignore this post saw your reply

[BigWeiner]

I agree 1000%

Fuck Obama! Fuck Biden! Fuck McCain! Fuck Palin!

I'm tired of all the BS from both parties. They're all self-serving scumbags. They're all thieves that only have their own interest at heart.

Vote 3rd party or don't vote at all! This country needs change. We won't get change if we keep voting across the century old party lines.

I agree also, it's all bullshit. Party lines are so stupid, makes these guys have to lie.

[KazDog]

Yea but we'd have a bunch of potheads driving around, flying airplanes, etc. Fuck that. Weed should be illegal. People think it's harmless, well it's not, your fucking brain gets fried, you start forgetting everything, you get lazy, no motivation, just what we don't need in this country.

Kind of like the drunk idiots driving around killing innocent people......

KAZ