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  • #16
    Originally posted by musclemann
    THE ORIGINAL POST THAT I MADE HAD TO DO WITH THE PRESIDENT GIVING UP THE NAME OF AN UNDERCOVER CIA AGENT AND BEING INVOLVED IN IT. I BELIEVE IF YOU WERE IN THE MILITARY THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED TREASON. MAYBE IM FUCKED UP OR SOMETHING SO PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL DEFEND THIS GUY NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES.

    IF HE WAS TAKING A CRAP ON JORDAN RULES LAWN (I MEAN JORDANS MOM LAWN) HE AND OTHERS WOULD SAY IT WASNT HIM OR ITS NOT HIS FAULT.

    AMAZING.
    It's amazing. There's no Global Warming, even though New Orleans is still under fucking water. The economy is great, even though people are being laid off left and right, the stock market is crashing, schools are completely fucked and the dollar is worth less than the Euro. Why can't people just look at their fucking window????

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    • #17
      Originally posted by tonynico
      I am not saying the criticsm isn't justified, just that at some point enough is enough. Everyone is going to be running on the "I'm not President Bush" platform, but I would prefer that any candidate would point out how they would do things differently. Sell the plan, sell the differences, and tell me how you will execute. But to keep beating the same "Bush is bad" drum isn't productive for the future. That is "piling on"!!
      Keep dreaming. This is politics, it's a joke, just one puppet after the next.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by musclemann
        THE ORIGINAL POST THAT I MADE HAD TO DO WITH THE PRESIDENT GIVING UP THE NAME OF AN UNDERCOVER CIA AGENT AND BEING INVOLVED IN IT. I BELIEVE IF YOU WERE IN THE MILITARY THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED TREASON. MAYBE IM FUCKED UP OR SOMETHING SO PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL DEFEND THIS GUY NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES.

        IF HE WAS TAKING A CRAP ON JORDAN RULES LAWN (I MEAN JORDANS MOM LAWN) HE AND OTHERS WOULD SAY IT WASNT HIM OR ITS NOT HIS FAULT.

        AMAZING.

        AND TO ADDRESS THE TIMING FOR A BOOK JUST ANOTHER EXCUSE THAT HIS APOLOGIST WILL USE TO TRY TO COVER HIS ASS AS USUAL.
        Muscleman, I didn't read into the post that Budd Gregg made that he was apologizing OR making excuses. I think he was pointing out a possible motivation. ($$) Many people have used the same point when talking about the authors of the Bonds book. And while I am not making excuses, if this man was such a patriot, and held in such high esteem, why are we just hearing about this right now? If this really happened (don't know either way) why didn't he say or do something about it right then and there as opposed to waiting, writing a book and making money on it? And that point doesn't make an excuse for the President if everything written by this guy is true. Just that it's interesting that when he is making money, it's time to talk.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by BigWeiner
          It's amazing. There's no Global Warming, even though New Orleans is still under fucking water. The economy is great, even though people are being laid off left and right, the stock market is crashing, schools are completely fucked and the dollar is worth less than the Euro. Why can't people just look at their fucking window????
          I don't know if there will be a correlation between NO and global warming. The city being below sea level might also have something to do with being under water.
          Unemploymant still at lows, and stock market crash? Less then 10% off from all time high. How is that a crash? Schools have been fucked LONG before this President took office and LONG before President Clinton too. The dollar being worth less and less, as well as rising energy costs to me are the biggest concerns.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by BigWeiner
            Keep dreaming. This is politics, it's a joke, just one puppet after the next.
            The audacity of hope I guess!! One puppet ran on a no pork platform though, which I think sucks.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by tonynico
              I don't know if there will be a correlation between NO and global warming. The city being below sea level might also have something to do with being under water.
              Unemploymant still at lows, and stock market crash? Less then 10% off from all time high. How is that a crash? Schools have been fucked LONG before this President took office and LONG before President Clinton too. The dollar being worth less and less, as well as rising energy costs to me are the biggest concerns.
              I was just throwing that out there, obviously there's many other things that make it obvious that there's global warming. Not trying to be a conspiracy theorist, but they want you to believe that unemployment is low, but just ask around, and yes the market is plummeting, these are just signs of the direction the economy is heading, it'll get worse, trust me. You can't just print trillions of dollars and expect nothing to happen. Schools are getting worse instead of better, and the longer they stay this way, the more damage will be done.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by tonynico
                The audacity of hope I guess!! One puppet ran on a no pork platform though, which I think sucks.
                You're a smart guy. Hope is good, but sometimes change is a must, and in order to get change you need to complain, you know what I mean.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by BettorsChat
                  I take it Bush can do no wrong?
                  I take it Bush can do no right?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by BigWeiner
                    I was just throwing that out there, obviously there's many other things that make it obvious that there's global warming. Not trying to be a conspiracy theorist, but they want you to believe that unemployment is low, but just ask around, and yes the market is plummeting, these are just signs of the direction the economy is heading, it'll get worse, trust me. You can't just print trillions of dollars and expect nothing to happen. Schools are getting worse instead of better, and the longer they stay this way, the more damage will be done.
                    Well we can agree to disagree about unemployment. As a whole, it is down. And I at not an economist, so I can't speak intelligently with respect to jobs that are sent overseas. But the unemployment rate is down.
                    We will agree to disagree about the "plummet" as you call the market. One person's plummet, is another person's correction. Again, 10% from all time high. And also remember, everytime someone sells a stock, someone else is buying it.
                    I agree 100% about the trillions of dollars being spent. I would love a "pay as you go" goverment, but again, wishful thinking!
                    The spending issue is one I find amusing, because there are many who say we can't afford to spend the money being spent on the war. But then the same people say we should be spending that money (which we all agree we don't have) on other "projects". So wouldn't logic say that if we can't afford one, we can't afford the others?
                    Baby boomers are going to zero out SSI, Medicare increases, and future debt is going to leave this control in a HUGE disadvantage soon.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by BigWeiner
                      You're a smart guy. Hope is good, but sometimes change is a must, and in order to get change you need to complain, you know what I mean.
                      Thank you! I agree that change is a must, especially now. Complaing helps to get your voice heard to let your displaeasure be known to demand change, but the bigger thing is to hold people accountable for preaching change and do then doing the same thing (see pork spending)
                      To move forward though, I just don't see how the constant railing on the President ignites change?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by tonynico
                        Well we can agree to disagree about unemployment. As a whole, it is down. And I at not an economist, so I can't speak intelligently with respect to jobs that are sent overseas. But the unemployment rate is down.
                        We will agree to disagree about the "plummet" as you call the market. One person's plummet, is another person's correction. Again, 10% from all time high. And also remember, everytime someone sells a stock, someone else is buying it.
                        I agree 100% about the trillions of dollars being spent. I would love a "pay as you go" goverment, but again, wishful thinking!
                        The spending issue is one I find amusing, because there are many who say we can't afford to spend the money being spent on the war. But then the same people say we should be spending that money (which we all agree we don't have) on other "projects". So wouldn't logic say that if we can't afford one, we can't afford the others?
                        Baby boomers are going to zero out SSI, Medicare increases, and future debt is going to leave this control in a HUGE disadvantage soon.
                        My financial buddies keep telling the market is cyclical and now is the best time to get in. That's one bet I'm not making. Sure it's correcting, I understand that, but the reason it's correcting, is because of the economy, and I don't see anything changing in the near future. We didn't have the money to spend on either thing, but we could've barrowed to better our country in the future. Kids get smarter, invent shit, you know what I mean. Instead, we're barrowing to make our country worse off. I'm not taking about homeland security, but financially, we'll be much worse off.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by tonynico
                          Thank you! I agree that change is a must, especially now. Complaing helps to get your voice heard to let your displaeasure be known to demand change, but the bigger thing is to hold people accountable for preaching change and do then doing the same thing (see pork spending)
                          To move forward though, I just don't see how the constant railing on the President ignites change?
                          I think they're one and the same. Complaining and holding people accountable. All wrapped into one impeachment. You don't do a good job, you get fired, and someone else makes the changes. Holding on to someone who's not doing a good just makes the changes happen later than sooner.

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                          • #28
                            Now look at the spin on this story. It's looking just like Reagan saying he didn't know anything about Iran/Contra.


                            WASHINGTON - Former White House spokesman Scott McClellan does not believe President Bush lied to him about the role of White House aides I. Lewis Scooter Libby or Karl Rove in the leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity, according to McClellan's publisher.

                            Peter Osnos, the founder and editor-in-chief of Public Affairs Books, which is publishing McClellan's book in April, tells NBC from his Connecticut home that McCLellan, "Did not intend to suggest Bush lied to him."

                            Osnos says when McClellan went before the White House press corps in 2003 to publicly exonerate Libby and Rove, the problem was that his statement was not true. Osnos said the president told McClellan what "he thought to be the case." But, he says, McClellan believes, "the president didn't know it was not true."

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by BigWeiner
                              My financial buddies keep telling the market is cyclical and now is the best time to get in. That's one bet I'm not making. Sure it's correcting, I understand that, but the reason it's correcting, is because of the economy, and I don't see anything changing in the near future. We didn't have the money to spend on either thing, but we could've barrowed to better our country in the future. Kids get smarter, invent shit, you know what I mean. Instead, we're barrowing to make our country worse off. I'm not taking about homeland security, but financially, we'll be much worse off.
                              Buy low, sell high!!
                              I don't think that throwing money at the education system is the answer though. Too many factors. Uninvolved parents I think being the most important. I starting reading up on vouchers, so I can't speak too much about those. But they do sound appealing.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by BearDown
                                Now look at the spin on this story. It's looking just like Reagan saying he didn't know anything about Iran/Contra.


                                WASHINGTON - Former White House spokesman Scott McClellan does not believe President Bush lied to him about the role of White House aides I. Lewis Scooter Libby or Karl Rove in the leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity, according to McClellan's publisher.

                                Peter Osnos, the founder and editor-in-chief of Public Affairs Books, which is publishing McClellan's book in April, tells NBC from his Connecticut home that McCLellan, "Did not intend to suggest Bush lied to him."

                                Osnos says when McClellan went before the White House press corps in 2003 to publicly exonerate Libby and Rove, the problem was that his statement was not true. Osnos said the president told McClellan what "he thought to be the case." But, he says, McClellan believes, "the president didn't know it was not true."
                                I was for it bfeore I was against it!!!

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