For Jordan Rules. What Is This CRAP?

[BettorsChat]

I was referring to your first post in the thread asking "can Bush do no wrong"? Are you saying he hasn't done anything correct? And I am not here to defend what he has or hasn't done, just what I think are useless, off-topic replies that have nothing to do with the article, or his post about the "timing" and "money". If anyone brings up a different point of view, or even anything remotely positive, most of the left does go on the attack. In my opinion, it does no good. Nothng more, nothing less.

I'm sure he has did something right, but he's did more wrong.

You can call them useless, off-topic replies if you want, but that's what a forum is for to discuss. Even if one believes that the posts and comments are off topic.

And as for your comment regarding the lefts the same can be said for the rights.

[wayne1218]

It's amazing. There's no Global Warming, even though New Orleans is still under fucking water. The economy is great, even though people are being laid off left and right, the stock market is crashing, schools are completely fucked and the dollar is worth less than the Euro. Why can't people just look at their fucking window????

I'm not big into politics but i agree 100%. You don't need to know everything or read articles to see what is happening. Ever time i hear Bush ask for another 100 trillion towards the war, i just wonder how deep we will be by January '09. I don't consider myself a Democrat or a Republican really because i have liked and disliked both at times. I refuse to just bleed for one party over the other and i don't care which party is in the White House as long as the Country is flourishing. With that said, i've never seen this country look so bad inside and out. I just can't believe it to be honest and i am worried about what another year will bring.

The EU and another Big Country just put out an article this week or last that global warming is true and the USA & China are the biggest contributors.

The dollar is worth less than the Canadian and at an all time low vs. the canadain since 1870.

I'm shocked at both of these. Never in my lifetime did i ever expect to see the Canadian dollar worth more than ours. When i heard that the day it happened, my jaw just dropped and i was speechless (For once).

I also cannot even believe that anyone would/could deny global warming. I could care less about the debate because all you have to do is look around, look at the pictures and it can't be more obvious to me that there is a problem that seriously needs attention. I don't think it is something you take a chance with and blow off as not true. Seeing the pictures and various reports on Dateline, 20/20 and 60 minutes was enough for me. It is scary ... It really is!

[TwoTonTony]

i think there is always change going on in the world and sometimes change is scary.....

the dollar fluctuates more out of there being supply than anything else....too many dollars

as far as unemployment the numbers are always around 4-5% the last 20 years......papers make $$ printing bad news like layoffs

global warming....i have heard both sides and each side has quite a list of scientists on their sides......I am not of a science backround so i do not know who to believe, but i think it is more cyclical in nature than anything.....and new orleans was always below sea level

this is a global economy now......meaning the likes of china and india who have huge populations need steel, oil and other resources to grow their economies so of course there will be hikes


the stock market is not crashing....it is up from 12k to almost 14k overnight and this is a little pullback

there is always going to be people who are doomsday theorists....

i happen to believe there is more opportunity than ever in this great country,....we have challenges ahead but there is always opportunity

[TwoTonTony]

The jury is still out on global warming

Jeff Jacoby / The Boston Globe Published: August 20, 2007
BOSTON: If there's anything climate-change crusaders are adamant about, it is that the science of the matter is settled. That greenhouse gases emitted through human activity are causing the planet to warm dangerously, they say, is an established fact; only a charlatan would claim otherwise.

In the words of Al Gore, America's leading global warming apostle: "There's no more debate. We face a planetary emergency. . . . There is no more scientific debate among serious people who've looked at the evidence."

But as with other claims Gore has made over the years ("I took the initiative in creating the Internet"), this one doesn't mesh with reality.

Scientists and other "serious people" who question the global warming disaster narrative are not hard to find. Last year 60 of them sent a letter to Prime Minister Stephen Harper of Canada, urging him to undertake "a proper assessment of recent developments in climate science" and disputing the contention that "a climate catastrophe is looming and humanity is the cause."

The letter cautioned that "observational evidence does not support today's computer climate models" and warned that since the study of climate change is relatively new, "it may be many years yet before we properly understand the earth's climate system."

Among those signing the letter to Harper were Fred Singer, the former director of the U.S. Weather Satellite Service; Ian Clark, hydrogeology and paleoclimatology specialist at the University of Ottawa; Hendrik Tennekes, the former director of research at the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute; physicist Freeman Dyson of the Institute for Advanced Studies in Princeton; the University of Alabama's Roy Spencer, formerly senior scientist in climate studies at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama, plus 55 other specialists in climate science and related disciplines.

The debate among scientists is over?

NASA administrator Michael Griffin told National Public Radio in May that while the general trend of global warming exists, that doesn't make it "a problem we must wrestle with." To insist that any change in climate must be bad news "is to assume that the . . . earth's climate today is the optimal climate, the best climate that we could have." The planet's temperature has been fluctuating for millennia, he added. "I don't think it's within the power of human beings to assure that the climate does not change."

In 2003, environmental scientists Dennis Bray and Hans von Storch surveyed 530 of their peers in 27 countries on topics related to global warming. One question asked: "To what extent do you agree or disagree that climate change is mostly the result of anthropogenic causes?" On a scale of 1 (strongly agree) to 7 (strongly disagree), the average score was 3.62, reflecting no clear consensus.

Asked whether abrupt climate changes will wreak devastation in some areas of the world, the percentage of scientists strongly agreeing (9.1) was nearly identical to the percentage strongly disagreeing (9.0). Another question asked: To what degree might global warming prove beneficial for some societies? A striking 34 percent of the scientists answered 1 or 2 (a great degree of benefit); just 8.3 percent answered 6 or 7 (very little/no benefit).

Plainly, the science isn't settled. It changes all the time.

Take the latest report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Unlike its previous report in 2001, which foresaw a possible rise in sea levels over the next century of around 3 feet, the new report cuts that figure in half, to about 17 inches.

Why the revision? "Mainly because of improved information," the IPCC notes in the fine print. It goes on to note that even its latest estimate involves some guesswork: "Understanding of these effects is too limited to assess their likelihood." The science is getting better, but it's far from settled.

Or take the discovery this month that 1934, not 1998, was the hottest year in the continental United States since record-keeping began. NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies quietly changed its ranking after a Canadian statistician discovered an error in the official calculations. Under the new data, five of the 10 hottest U.S. years on record occurred before 1940; three were in the past decade.

Climate scientists are still trying to get the basics right. The latest issue of Science magazine notes that many researchers are only beginning to factor the planet's natural climate variations into their calculations. "Until now," reports Science, "climate forecasters who worry about what greenhouse gases could be doing to climate have ignored what's happening naturally. . . . In this issue, researchers take their first stab at forecasting climate a decade ahead with current conditions in mind."

Their first stab, please note, not their last. The science of climate change is still young and unsettled. Years of trial and error are still to come. Al Gore notwithstanding, the debate is hardly over.

[harold_bush]

The EU and another Big Country just put out an article this week or last that global warming is true and the USA & China are the biggest contributors.

The dollar is worth less than the Canadian and at an all time low vs. the canadain since 1870.

That makes it true? Who next, the U.N.? Look, nobody denies there is some level of global warming. Bush has even admitted as much. The debate is over what the cause is. For every country/study/scientist that says it is caused by man, I can counter with a country/study/scientist that says it is a cyclical process.

If anyone thinks George Bush is responsible for global warming, they are retarded. If Bush's intention was to destroy the world, there was nothing that could be intentional done over an 8 year period that would have any impact. 8 years is like 1/1000000000000 of a second in world time.

[TwoTonTony]

5 of the 10 hottest years on record occurred before 1940

[BigWeiner]

i think there is always change going on in the world and sometimes change is scary.....

the dollar fluctuates more out of there being supply than anything else....too many dollars

as far as unemployment the numbers are always around 4-5% the last 20 years......papers make $$ printing bad news like layoffs

global warming....i have heard both sides and each side has quite a list of scientists on their sides......I am not of a science backround so i do not know who to believe, but i think it is more cyclical in nature than anything.....and new orleans was always below sea level

this is a global economy now......meaning the likes of china and india who have huge populations need steel, oil and other resources to grow their economies so of course there will be hikes


the stock market is not crashing....it is up from 12k to almost 14k overnight and this is a little pullback

there is always going to be people who are doomsday theorists....

i happen to believe there is more opportunity than ever in this great country,....we have challenges ahead but there is always opportunity

People can always say everything is cyclical. The economy, the weather, the number of soldiers dying everyday. Yea New Orleans was always below see level, but Katrina was massive because of global warming. You can say the stock market is correcting itself, or you can say people are pulling their fucking money out. When you barrow trillions of dollars it effects the economy, that includes everything, the stock market, employment, everything. And we're barrowing more, so someone please explain how by barrowing and printing more money, the economy is going to flourish. I don't see that part of the cycle coming any time soon.

[BigWeiner]

We are a great country, that's why I don't accept this bullshit. I support the troops, that's why I wanna get them the hell out of Middle East. Does anybody know where the 9/11 terrorists were from? Saudi Arabia

[tonynico]

. If Bush's intention was to destroy the world, .

It isn't? I thought he was, one building at a time.

Signed,

Rosie and Michael

[tonynico]

. You can say the stock market is correcting itself, or you can say people are pulling their fucking money out. .

Every sale= a purchase though right?

[TwoTonTony]

People can always say everything is cyclical. The economy, the weather, the number of soldiers dying everyday. Yea New Orleans was always below see level, but Katrina was massive because of global warming. You can say the stock market is correcting itself, or you can say people are pulling their fucking money out. When you barrow trillions of dollars it effects the economy, that includes everything, the stock market, employment, everything. And we're barrowing more, so someone please explain how by barrowing and printing more money, the economy is going to flourish. I don't see that part of the cycle coming any time soon.

Big Weiner, no disrespect it is cyclical....always has been and always will be.....their is more in the market now than there was after 9/11.....There is no debate on that......If you are an investor it is a good buying opp......Time has shown that....We are still up for the year....You say people are pulling money out and the numbers do not support that.....Myself and a lot people i know put in money on a schedule regardless of the upwards or downwards movement....Also volatility is a traders best friend......But i am an investor and will be patient....I also think a correction is at least at least a 10% drop.....but it always hits a pt. of capitulation where the stocks are viewed as bargains.....And everyone loves a bargain

Anyways it is also the time of the year that find managers buy in their losses for tax purposes as well.....BW...the GDP was 3.8% last qtr...that is an expanding economy.....

People borrow more when there is more dollars and credit is loose....this is cyclical also.....

The primary problem we have here is people rode the housing wave up and borrowed against their equity because it was cheap and this pumped $$ into the economy....Also because of loose credit standards people who normally could not get a loan got one with sub-standard conditions....zero down, variable.....and now they are underwater....So the sub-prime lending market is hurting and you see even ML taking it on the chin to the tune of 8 billion dollars.....However, most of these people were stupid and nobody can be blamed but them.....Like buying a car you can not afford....and some are saying there will be a credit problem with cars too.......However, for every problem there is an opportunity.....

the lesson here is to live within your means......do not buy a $1000 a month car on a 50k salary....do not buy a house with zero down.....hoping it goes up....Sometimes these are painful lessons....but when they are giving it away people lack fiscal discipline....


the unemployment rate is stable.....also money supply is the million dollar question for sure.....it is a tightrope act.....

Also did you really think houses doubling every 3 years in value is real??? and healthy????

We will and do have a huge inventory of houses and there are and will be great deals for buyers.....

Also there is a 75% chance of recession i heard on CNBC....but these are cyclical too......

You also say katrina was because of global warming....hmmm...there is no proof of that at all......New Orleans was not built to withstand a level 4 hurricane and it did not......Poor planning more than anything

The number of soldiers dying is declining in the recent months but even that is unacceptable....I realize great strides are being made there but the Iraqi govt has not made the commitment they need......However, we are fucked there.....job must be finished now...unfortunately
I do not think men dying is cyclical....If there are alot of IUDs there are a lot of deaths.....does not go in cycles.....war is adapting constantly to threats

not trying to piss in your cornflakes but there is a lot of opportunity......we just have to open our eyes to it

[BigWeiner]

Good stuff Tony. I understand everything you said about the stockmarket and honestly, money management is not my thing, but I think we are in a different faze. I don't think the market is correcting because it was over valued, because I believe it would've stayed over valued had we not barrowed all this money, and I think the big debt is causing this, and it'll be sometime before it heads back up. New Orleans was just one example of many about Global warming, most of the damage is being done up north. The soldiers dying and all that was just me being bitter, I know the numbers have gone down, but it's still all bullshit in my mind, and no one can convince me otherwise. We were feed lies and we'll be paying the price for years if not decades to come, and someone needs to be held accountable.

[TwoTonTony]

ditto BW-

i would not worry about the debt weiner at all.....I listen to alot of money shows and the like....believe it or not our economy is massive and the national debt is minimal in comparison......

stock market is not for the faint of heart if you are a trader and i realized early the info i get is old and the $$ had already been made by the smart guys....so i just invest...

i may be a little older than you and have been through some heavy shit.....business wise....stock market wise....lost 150k of my own money.....many lessons learned on the front lines.....but the one thing i will say is that their is always bad news....always.....however, it is a matter of how you view it and what you can do about it....I almost do not even watch the news anymore or get involved in politics (except here)....i tend to limit my focus on what i can control and the good things in life....they are happening all around us....

i once read a quote or parable saying that most of the fights we engage in our hearts and minds never actually come to fruition.....we worry about them before or if they ever arise.....

keep the faith bro....lots to be thankful for....and i am not for the war either and i believe the damage to our men will be monumental for years to come.....and for what???

but it is reality and all we can do is support the men/women....

have a great turkey day

[TwoTonTony]

Good stuff Tony. I understand everything you said about the stockmarket and honestly, money management is not my thing, but I think we are in a different faze. I don't think the market is correcting because it was over valued, because I believe it would've stayed over valued had we not barrowed all this money, and I think the big debt is causing this, and it'll be sometime before it heads back up. New Orleans was just one example of many about Global warming, most of the damage is being done up north. The soldiers dying and all that was just me being bitter, I know the numbers have gone down, but it's still all bullshit in my mind, and no one can convince me otherwise. We were feed lies and we'll be paying the price for years if not decades to come, and someone needs to be held accountable.

sorry bw...i do not think the market was overvalued with p/e's still in line and of good value....however, it was overbought in the short run.....ran up too fast......it will again.....

[musclemann]

Just A Question

Was It Cyclical When Carter Was In Office And The Economy Was Bad? Its Only Cyclical When A Republican Is In Office And Things Arent Going So Well.

I Rather Give My Tax Dollars To Children Who Need Medical Insurance In Our Own Country Then Give It To My Buddies Who Happen To Have Huge Amounts Of Stocks In Defense Companies.

Or Better Yet Giving Tax Dollars To Rebuild Iraq.

Its All Very Hypocritical.