MLB Trades and Rumors

[savage1]

It isn't shocking that you couldn't come up with anything except Lugo. You probably liked Eric Gagne too didn't you savage? There is a long list but you are blind to all of the bad moves. Amnesia seems to kick in!

At least Gagne was a short term move and they cut their loss quickly.
Speaking of amnesia, perhaps you have a case of it by simply fogetting that Theo was the GM during the time they won two WS.
I get the feeling sometime that you think Sox would definitely have won the WS during 2004 and 2007 if any Joe Blow had been the GM.
He is considered by respected baseball people in the know one of the top GM's-period whether you agree or not!

[savage1]

It's easy to be Boy Wonder when you have the 2nd highest payroll budget. A stocked farm system. And mostly, small market teams willing to dump high priced stars for prospects.

He's not looking like Boy Genius this season for overpaying for Dice-K. Not to mention his 2 biggest stars getting caught using PEDs. Now just today two Red Sox members were fired for their involvement in steroid use. Stay tuned as these latest allegation unfold. I guess unlike Omar Minaya you won't hold Boy Wonder accountable for what happens within his franchise.

Comparing the skills and savvy(no pun intended) between Theo and Oh MY Manure is like comparing a fine steak with dogshit;the results speak for themselves.
ps I assure you that all teams INCLUDING the Mets have had their of users of PED's.

[savage1]

You seriously should be on Theo's payroll!

So you think Sox could have signed Texieira if someone other than Theo had been the GM? I say bullshit-he wanted to go to the Yankees from the start!

[wayne1218]

So you think Sox could have signed Texieira if someone other than Theo had been the GM? I say bullshit-he wanted to go to the Yankees from the start!

No savage, they could have signed him if they kept out bidding the Yanks. Don't back down ... they did!

[savage1]

No savage, they could have signed him if they kept out bidding the Yanks. Don't back down ... they did!

I doubt it;he openly stated his wife wanted him to play for the Yankees and he made some nasty comments about John Henry.
I say he had every intention if playing for the Yankees from the start.
Even if he would have gone to the Sox if they paid him a little more(which I doubt), Theo did the right thing by drawing the line;you used the word "god" before in how you think I regard Theo.
Well, as good as he is, Teixeira isn't God either, and as the Yankees have found out since 2000, signing Godlike players doesn't ensure a World Series.
Theo is much shrewder and much smarter than Brian Cashman also;look what his attempts to buy a WS have gotten him-NADA!!!!

[savage1]

One last thing before I go out to dinner for you "Theo ain't any special" guys:
2004-Nomar wanted out and most including myself thought that he had to keep him at any cost, and then when we heard we got Orlando Cabrera, we thought he was terribly incompetent and a poor replacement for Nomar-we all know what the net result was-yeah some luck, but don't forget who obtained Dave Roberts. lol
Need more proof?-what about after the 2004 season when Theo and the Sox let the Mets and the "brilliant" Oh My Manure outbid the Sox for Pedro Martinez.
Who had the smarts and perception to realize that Pedro was worth a certain amount at this point in his career considering his age and proneness to injury-was it the Sox and Theo or Manure and the Mets? Just look at what happened subsequently.
You can knitpick this and that about Theo, and he has made made some lousy moves as has any GM.
Overall most Red Sox fans including myself like him, his philosophy and most importantly what he has accomplished during his tenure.

[Three Jack]

That one is a no brainer-Teixera had no intention of playing for the Sox as we all know now-he simply used the Sox fof leverage;he wanted to play for the Yankees period!

WOW...did you at last wipe you chin clean before spewing this load?

[savage1]

WOW...did you at last wipe you chin clean before spewing this load?

From all I have read on the matter, it is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Refute it if you can!

[wayne1218]

From all I have read on the matter, it is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Refute it if you can!

savage, All those Red Sox message boards are about as biased as it gets. You always talk about them like they are the truth. They are just others like you drinking Theo Kool-Aid!

[savage1]

savage, All those Red Sox message boards are about as biased as it gets. You always talk about them like they are the truth. They are just others like you drinking Theo Kool-Aid!

My opinions have ZERO to do with the Sox message boards;I have actually criticized some Sox fans over there who always think everything is fine and dandy.
If what you said was true about my opinion of Theo, then why was I up in arms when he traded Nomar and replaced him with Cabrera and when he didn't re-sign Pedro. I assure you there are very few out there who could have done as good a job as he has done..
Do you really think that I am going to believe what someone says over there who has been following the Sox for a few years as opposed to my many years?
I pointed out before just several good instances where Theo made good decisions, decisions so good that they were instrumental in helping the Sox win their first WS in 86 years.
Again, I doubt if there was just about someone else at the helm, they would have done as well.
Re: Teixeira I know what I read in the newspapers, NOT the message boards-my overall opinion based on that is that he didn't want to come to Boston and wanted Yankees because of his wife's wishes and because he didn't care for John Henry.
If you feel differently, thats your choice.
All things considered and at this point and whether you agree or not, he is regarded by most as the best GM ever in the history of the Sox simply because under his watch the team won two WS, something not done in 86 years prior;thats "pretty good" by my standards.

[savage1]

Believe it or don't believe it, these are right from Teixeira's mouth and support what I initially about the reason he chose the Yankees over the Sox-read especially the last sentence:

Mark Teixeira appeared on New York-based radio station WFAN this morning and spoke, among other things, about why he decided to sign with the Yankees over other interested teams. Mike DiGiovanna of the Los Angeles Times has transcribed a few of the more interesting quotes:

"I always had the Yankees in my sights, and one thing my agent and I had asked every single team is, we're not going to negotiate through the media, and we ask you not to," Teixeira said. "The Yankees were really the only team that did that. The other teams went out and told everybody their offers, told everybody that they talked to me, that they made this call, made that trip. The Yankees kept quiet. We talked all winter. When they were ready to make their final offer, it was a great offer, and my wife and I were excited about going to New York."

Asked specifically about the Red Sox, who made their December 18 visit to his home in Texas public knowledge, Teixeira admitted to being bothered: "I think in the end, it probably worked against them a little bit, because everyone thought the Red Sox were my No. 1 choice. ... The Yankees had a leg up all along."

[savage1]

WOW...did you at last wipe you chin clean before spewing this load?

Read post 131;perhaps I am not spewing such a big load afterall. lol

[Three Jack]

Read post 131;perhaps I am not spewing such a big load afterall. lol

I read it...so it was Theo's fault for leaking the visit to the media! Nice job Boy Wonder! And I have never heard a FA signee ever say 'i didn't really want to sign with team A because team B is where I wanted to be. But because they didn't make a large enough offer, I am here today signng with team a'!

And as for your comment that in your opinion, no other GM could have brought a title to Boston in 2004, well, he did and his name is Larry Lucchino. All Theo had power over prior to walking away was the farm system...he had little to do with trades and signings, and THAT is the truth.

[savage1]

I read it...so it was Theo's fault for leaking the visit to the media! Nice job Boy Wonder! And I have never heard a FA signee ever say 'i didn't really want to sign with team A because team B is where I wanted to be. But because they didn't make a large enough offer, I am here today signng with team a'!

And as for your comment that in your opinion, no other GM could have brought a title to Boston in 2004, well, he did and his name is Larry Lucchino. All Theo had power over prior to walking away was the farm system...he had little to do with trades and signings, and THAT is the truth.

Here is what you said:

WOW...did you at last wipe you chin clean before spewing this load?
You shot from the hip and I presented ACTUAL DOCUMEBTATION from the horse's mouth(Teixeira) stating that he and his wife wanted to come to Boston.
If you choose to RATIONALIZE it away/beg the question by saying that all players say what he did, so be it;it is clear that Teixeira wanted to come to New York and that it was his first choice.
If my evidence was presented against your "evidence" in a debate, it would be a no contest.
Your not wanting to give Theo zero credit for anything in winning the WS imo is not worth responding to.

[savage1]

ps All I know is that Sox have proven they can win a WS without ARod, Pedro, Lowell, Randy Johnson, Nomar and in short a lot of high priced players who either left Boston and/or Theo decided weren't worth pursuing to the amount of salaries they and their agents demanded.
Sure he has blundered at times, but I will take any GM who can win two WS in five years and be in the playoffs in the other years other than 2006.
You can take the Cashman's, Oh My Manure's of the world and most others and stuff them where the sun doesn't shine.
Theo has proven his mettle;he sure as hell made a believer out of me by proving me wrong when he got rid of Nomar, replaced him with Cabrera, let Pedro, Lowell, Damon and others walk-if tha doesn't satisfy a Sox fan, then what the hell does???
I sure as heck hope(and actually have quite a bit of confidence) that he will continue to do a very fine job as the GM of the Sox.