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[PhilJr]

Are you saying that you lost all of your 1*-2* plays during January? I would assume that if you won any of them, wouldn't they also count as $100 winners toward your record? Also, you say that posting comp plays doesn't mean anything as far as your winning and losing days. Why do you brag about your 58% comp play winners where $100 bettors would be up $3260?? I admire your courage to step up and give free plays, but isn't that what all the good cappers are doing here already? Just my 2 cents.

[Dribbler]

Never said anything about lying, just going by what the monitor said. I'm just saying you are an awful handicapper. Over 14,000 units down in 3 months. That's pretty bad. It's all about the long haul and the first 4 months of the year you prove nothing more than being a very below average capper (if 50% is average).

[Wes Fisher]

I hope everyone reads this, because this is going to be fun ...

> Bottom line is that the amount of plays you give out with a lot
> of those being big favorites will hurt you in the long run, which
> is obviously the case with you.

Let's cover EVERY accusation you have. I tell you, I hate to do battle of gambling wits with an unarmed man, but bring it on. The comment above doesn't make sense & there's no proof or facts to support that amateur statement. Did someone once program it into your head that favorites always lose?

I don't bet only favorites, but let me play along. If you refer to MLB, then yes, I do bet mostly favorites, but the key to winning isn't in picking a certain % of Favorites. It's in handicapping each play & picking more winners then losers. What part of that concept do you not understand? Betting favorites doesn't make someone a losing handicapper, picking losers makes you a losing handicapper.

A poor handicapper can bet nothing but dogs & he will lose. A poor handicapper can bet nothing but favorites & he'll lose. he can mix 50-50 & if he doesn't know how to handicap, he will lose.

Obviously, we're talking about you here if you have a preset notion that the type of play you make determines your success or failure. Man, I can't even believe I'm giving you the time of day, but since you're so intent on displaying your ignorance to the world, I'm happy to hit you upside the head with a big a shit sandwich.

I don't do it, but I contend that I can pick nothing but -200 favorites & as long as I win 7 of every 10 (+700 vs. -600), that I will produce a profit. If it's you & you pick 5 right & 5 wrong, then yes, you lose big, but that doesn't mean you lose just because you pick -200 favorites. You lose because you can't pick the correct -200 favorites. Likewise, I contend that I can pick nothing but -300 favorites & as long as I pick 8 right out of every 10, I'll win (+800 vs. -600). Once again, it's not what type of play, it's which ones your play that determines your success or failure. Nothing else. You wanna talk Dogs? I contend that a good handicapper can bet nothing but Dogs & still win. The key is knowing that in MLB, favorites do win nearly 70% of the time. Just picking dogs all the time won't make you a winner, you have to recognize the correct 30% of the Dogs. That is what makes you a winner.

So you see, what type of play you make doesn't mean a thing. It doesn't matter if it's favorites or dogs. If you think that betting just favorites makes you a loser, then by all means, inform me as to why that is?

Seriously. I'm waiting, & don't give me ''because it just does'' as an answer. Tell me why just betting favorites means you'll inevitably lose? Share your knowledge with the betting world why making plays on favorites automatically = losing.

By the way, I don't bet just favorites, but since you always know my record without having ever actually received my plays, then by all means, please share your vast photographic memory.


> You did a free trial during CB season and gave out 33 plays for
> the day. No good handicapper plays that many games in a
> week, let alone a day.

I'm going to enjoy this. That's crap & let me tell you why. If I release 5 plays & go 3-2, that's 60%. If I'm a 60% handicapper lifetime, then if I play 100 games, then I'll hit 60, lose 40. Again, 60%. Now, if every play is rated equally & a handicapper can hit 60% over the course of 20 weeks at 5 plays per week, then again share your knowledge & explain to me why 100 plays all at once won't produce the exact same percentage? And once again, "because" isn't an answer. Explain to me what logic supports your claim that 30 plays at 60% is worse than 5 plays at 60%?

Once again, how many plays means nothing. 60% is always 60%. If I can hit 60%, then I'll release 100 plays in 1 day if I care to.

Betting a lot of plays, doesn't mean you'll lose, but if you're a losing handicapper, what it does mean is that you'll lose faster. If you're a loser (& yes, I do mean you), then you can draw it out over time by picking 3-4 plays a week or you can get it all over with at once, but the eventual outcome will be the same. The only difference is how fast you get there. If you make 5 plays in a week & I make 30 plays in a week & we both hit the exact same %, then all that means is that if we win, I'll win 6x as much as you & if we lose, I'll lose 6x as much as you. That's it.

Listen carefully ... if you release a lot of plays & lose, it's NOT because you released a lot of plays. That has nothing to do with it. If you release a lot of plays & lose, it's because you suck.

Now, before I let you off the hook, you brought this on yourself, so I'm about to kick your ass a little more. I know you never personally received my NCAA plays last season, because I never ran a promotion where I gave out these plays. I know this because I didn't become a Professional Sports Service until Dec. 6th, 2002.

By the way, before I go on, I can ALWAYS prove what I say as opposed to Drooler here, who prefers to just make everything up as he goes along. For anyone who would like proof of what I'm about to tell you, here's a Toll Free # for ProCappers.com ... 1-888-435-2350. If Keebler or anyone else would like proof of what I'm about to tell you, call ProCappers. Ask them how Wes Fisher became a Professional Handicapper?

This is going to be fun. Dribbler, man I swear you make this too easy. Since you think you're making me look bad, buddy I'm not going to give you any air. I'll bury you.

Here we go. I became a Professional Handicapper because I entered a nationwide handicapping contest sponsored by BoDog Sportsbook. 1st place was a $4,500 betting account, a trip to Las Vegas & an all expense paid induction into the Professional Handicappers League, complete with free website development, the works. Roughly 1,800 people entered that contest. Guess who won it? Not only did I win, I crushed everyone. I won over 4,400 Net Units of Profit, more than DOUBLE the next closest competitor. In fact, I did so well, I was contacted by the League before the season even ended & was asked if I wanted to join right away so they could market me for the bowl games. Well, Dec. 6th was my first day. The season was over on that weekend, so you're 100% incorrect, as usual.

What you saw weren't 33 plays released to clients in 1 day. What you saw were the results of the contest for that particular week. You claim I made 33 plays in 1 day, the answer is ''NO SHIT''. I was competing in a Net Unit Contest, you dumbass! For the record, I released 30+ plays nearly EVERY week of the season. If you think releasing a ton of plays automatically equates to high Net Units, think again. By your own admission, a high # of plays can be bad. Well, let me tell you, there were plenty of people with -4,000+ Net Units in that contest, but only 1 Person that was ahead by that much. Me! So don't tell me that a high volume of plays = losing. I didn't sleep for 3 months of Fridays during that contest. I basically handicapped from each Friday afternoon to tipoff each Saturday & I worked my ass off. The results of which was that the entire NCAA Season, I had only 1 losing Saturday & that was just 1 game below .500. That was it dude. I made 30+ plays every week all season long & the WORST week I had was 1 game below .500. Can you even imagine winning EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND all season long? Well
Dribb, I did just that & I released nearly 400 plays in all, finishing nearly 50 games over .500.

Again, the Toll-Free #. It’s right up above. Call them & ask them. Heck, here it is again .... 1-888-435-2350

Or if you like, here's a link. It takes you to the History of the League. Note: the History button is located on the left side throughout the site. If you visit & scan down a little bit, here's what it says ...

In December 2002, The Professional Handicappers League was open to receive new memberships which earned their way in, by winning one of the high profile amateur world championships sponsored through Picks World Site. This move mirrored past examples set by Charles Ubil. Wes Fisher Sports was the first member inducted under the "earn your way in" program.


So much for the idea that I lost because I gave out a ton of plays. What you call losing, I call earning my way into the League by winning a worldwide football handicapping championship. So, you make all the claims you want, but don't even attempt to touch my NCAA Football record or the # of plays I released when I was winning each & every weekend. Again, I never even gave out the plays you claim to have witnessed, I just put them in the contest & you saw the results, BUT even if I did give out 33 plays in 1 day to my clients, let me let you in on a little secret ... If the #1 NCAA Football Handicapper in a Contest of nearly 2,000 people gives you 33 plays in 1 day, then don't bitch! Instead, shut the Fu*k up & pay attention! You might actually learn something.

The funny thing is, you're putting me down & claiming you saw me do what you expertly say doesn't work, meanwhile I was actually winning my way into becoming a Professional Handicapper. Sooooo, I guess one of us is misinformed & full of hot air. Hmmm. You see, the thing is that I'm putting a Toll-Free # for anyone who wants to verify what I'm saying.

I'm sorry, but what proof are you offering again? Oh, that's right, you prefer to make it up as you go along. You say I lost releasing 33 plays a day in a free promotion to clients, I say you were looking at the results of a handicapping contest which I was winning handily AND I provide a way for viewers of this post to check themselves. You say I'm not winning, but I provided Documented Streaks to the contrary from the same site where you got your info ....

Documented Streaks
MLB Top Plays (+291) 13 - 8 L21 62%
MLB Overall Sides (+483) 15 - 8 L23 65%
NBA Top Over/Unders (+550) 11 - 5 L16 69%
NBA Top Sides (+380) 6 - 2 L8 75%
NBA Top Plays (+860) 24 - 14 L38 63%
NBA Overall Plays (+660) 11 - 4 L15 73%
NHL Overall Over/Unders (+1070) 113 - 93 L206 55%
NHL Top Sides (+140) 3 - 2 L5 60%

That looks like pretty hot handicapping to me.

You say I'm not posting accurate records, I offer to prove it to anyone, including this site's administrator, for all to see. Dribbler makes accusations, I offer to prove firsthand that they're wrong. Does anyone see a theme here?

I have to admit, I didn't even realize you were watching me way back in 2002. I'm flattered, but I never even knew your resentment toward me went back so far. All this time you've been holding onto this jealousy I never even knew about.

The good news, is I think we’re making genuine progress here. It appears your feelings go way back. Here I was thinking it was something recent. I'm flattered, yet concerned. Hell, you're not just pissed at me, you're stalking me. I have to admit, that's a little scary.

Look buddy, if you were in the contest & you've been holding some sort of resentment because I crushed you, then I'm truly sorry. Really. I'm also truly worried what kind of person has never been a client & never tried my service firsthand, and yet has been secretly hating me since 2002. Dude, I had no idea. Seriously. I'm sorry for what ever you think I did to you, but please don't hunt me down & hurt me. I'm sorry. Really sorry.

For anyone out there who wants to try me out & DOESN'T hold some sort of psychological hatred that goes back to 2002, drop me a line. I'm 100% legit & will prove it to anyone who is willing to give me a chance.

As for Dribbler1, I have 3 words for you ... Ther a py. Get help my friend, get help.

Wes F.

[Baseball_Nut]

Wes

who do you like tonight in the Lakers /Spurs game


:D

[Wes Fisher]

To PhilJr,
no, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that it was an awful month. One of my worst. Are you actually going to doubt a handicapper who proclaims to having had a terrible month too? Aren't you supposed to doubt me when I tell you I had a great month? Doubting me when I tell you I lost, that kind of sounds a little backward, don't you think?

Yes, each win would also count as $100, but all I said was I had a terrible month, which by definition, would imply that I must have lost more plays then I won, wouldn't it? Am I going too fast for you? I had more losers then winners. No, I didn't lose every play & yes, each win would also count as +100. I simply pointed out reasons for why monitoring isn't 100% accurate. If there was confusion, let me revise it into the simplest of statements that you'll have no trouble understanding. If I lost 10 more plays then I won & I rated them as 1* opinions, then the actual results would have been -220 while the monitored results would be -1,100. Is that okay with you?

Thanks,
Wes

[Wes Fisher]

Re: Wes

Originally posted by Baseball_Nut_2
who do you like tonight in the Lakers /Spurs game


:D

Honestly, I don't know yet. I have a full day of handicapping still in front of me, but if you'd care to send me an e-mail, I'd be happy to let you know as soon as I know. If you ask me as a handicapper, I honestly don't know yet. I try to keep an open mind until I've seen all the info I can gather, so I don't form an early opinion which might influence me later. If you're asking me as one sports fan to another, my gut instinct is that the Lakers run ends in this series.

Thanks,
Wes F.

[wayne1218]

Wes

BC is going to need a new fucken server since your filling this one with fucken crap! People make 1 paragraph judgement and you turn it into a book for a reply??? Get the fuck over it..... it's one man's opinion. Is this site where you are making your money?...NO!....So move the fuck on and take the fucken DRAMA with you, 100 other services on here have started talking smack with people and they never win or get a customer from it as it looks bad real bad for business. Move on there are 1,000 sites to post picks either take it like a man or PROVE them wrong by not giving a FREE week but posting a week here for FREE like we all do.......That usually scares them all away because there afraid of having a bad week!

[Baseball_Nut]

wayne

I hope Minny can win tonight

i will be all over them like flies on shit

[PhilJr]

Yes, you are going too fast for me. See, I never graduated college and I must be dumb. All I do is listen to the cappers here along with my plays and make money. You are right, monitoring isn't 100% accurate. You can turn your stats any way you want. You are right, you do have a full day of handicapping in front of you. Spend your time doing that and try to keep your current customers happy. You never did answer the comp play question. Try to keep it to 1000 words or less.

[Baseball_Nut]

wes

i dont like the way you talked to PhilJr..............very disrespectful


we stand up for eachother here, and when you take a shot at one of our friends.................we hate that



BC please close this thread

Wes.............go take a hike with MVP and all the other scammers in this world

we have enough good cappers that do their analysis, get tips, etc...

we all have been making money - - - - FOR FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Wes Fisher]

Re: Wes

Originally posted by wayne1218
BC is going to need a new fucken server since your filling this one with fucken crap! People make 1 paragraph judgement and you turn it into a book for a reply??? Get the fuck over it..... it's one man's opinion. Is this site where you are making your money?...NO!....So move the fuck on and take the fucken DRAMA with you, 100 other services on here have started talking smack with people and they never win or get a customer from it as it looks bad real bad for business. Move on there are 1,000 sites to post picks either take it like a man or PROVE them wrong by not giving a FREE week but posting a week here for FREE like we all do.......That usually scares them all away because there afraid of having a bad week!

And your crap smells better than everyone else's, why? You get the fu*k over it. You move on. If you want to keep the posts to a minimum, then keep your sorry opinion to yourself. Shut the hell up & I don't have to waste the space to reply. Take the time to write a post protesting all the posts & I'll answer with yet another post. Like a true hypocritical jackass, you seem to have a problem practicing what you preach.

Hey, I like the fact that you're allowed to curse & say whatever you want on this forum. Up until now, I had no way to vent my ire, but I feel a lot better now. Thanks!

By the way, explain again how offering a free week to everyone carries less of an impact then posting a free week on the forum? Because I'm scared? Let me put it this way, I actually e-mail the plays to each client. If I lie, they have the e-mail, so they can easily post it & expose me for the fraud you think I am. Why don't I post them here? Because I'm a busy man, that's why. It's easier for me to add each person to my client e-mail list & send everyone the plays with a single mouse click, then it is for me to visit a seperate website. Also, because the people I really want to help have already contacted me. Why would I want to make a jerkoff like you money after you've done nothing but give me a crap. You want some winners, then get off your ass & e-mail me like everyone who's serious about winning is doing. If that's too much exercise for you, then stay on the couch & pop open another bag of Cheetos! You want proof I win, I offered a Free Week & I'm winning. If you want to see for yourself, then the first step is to realize that the terms are set by me. You want them e-mail me; otherwise, piss off.

Wes

[wayne1218]

I didn't even read it but i replied below to another post saying that you must still be typing:redfaced: Post them all here for a week jackass and save all the e-mails plus my records and picks are posted daily for FREE and i might add have kicked your ASS ten times over again for FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE ......So ummmmm unless you can say that go FUCK YOURSELF!

[Baseball_Nut]

Wes

there is a greater chance that Kobe is held scorless tonight than Wayne e-mailing you for free picks


stop the criticising, cause if you knew anything about this room, is that we win on a daily, weekly, and monthly basis


we have some solid cappers in here, as well as some bar owners, drug dealers, chicken owners, lap dance specialists, old grannies, line readers (***) and so on.


so move on to another site and start busting their balls

WE WIN FOR FREE OVER HERE

FOR FREE.........AND WHY IS VENUS WILLIAMS SO UGLY???

[wayne1218]

VERY PROFESSIONAL i might add......... I don't have a business like you begging for customers so i'm allowed to say go fuck yourself but you doing it makes you look BAD!

[Wes Fisher]

Re: wes

Originally posted by Baseball_Nut_2
i dont like the way you talked to PhilJr..............very disrespectful


we stand up for eachother here, and when you take a shot at one of our friends.................we hate that



BC please close this thread

Wes.............go take a hike with MVP and all the other scammers in this world

we have enough good cappers that do their analysis, get tips, etc...

we all have been making money - - - - FOR FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Obviously you don't or you wouldn't be so desperate for help. You don't like me, fine. I don't like you either. You stick up for each other, then hey you can go circlejerk each other for all I care. Want me to leave, fine. But before I do, I'd like to issue a little challenge. You name the rules. I propose a handicapping challenge. You can pool your collective braintrust & it's me vs. all of you. Let's make it Net Units. We'll use the BoDog sportsbook clsoing lines. Why BoDog? Because their lines stay up after the games begin & becauseyou don't have to have an account or even a guest account to view them.

Now, you set the rules. How we mkae the posts & where, how many plays, etc.

If I can produce more Net Units then you, then each one of you can issue me an apology AND kiss my ass. Then, you can shut the hell up & I'll continue to post here & make sales here, with your promise that you'll never make another inbred post inside one of my threads. If you win, I'll kiss your ass & issue a formal apology on this forum stating that I was outhandicapped. I'll then leave this forum & NEVER post here again.

So Baseball_Nut_2, it's put up or shut up time. The easy thing is to do is cut off my posts. Who cares. I won't shed a tear, but if you have any balls hidden somewhere in that collective vagina of yours, then prove it. I outhandicap you, you all not only leave me alone, you apologize & dissapear. You win, the same & I'm gone forever.

So pussy, what's it going to be?