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**KazDog** · 11-27-2006, 04:25 PM

Those Statistics that you googled don't mean shit to me because it's not solving the problem. Bottom line, the problem is not going away. You can try and deal with the problem, or whine about how much it's costing. Do you think they come here and don't spend any money? They spend nearly as much as they make and more. They tried to crack down on farmers to not hire the laborers that were illegal and it crushed the farmers. It didn't work. Nobody wanted to work. Prices went up and they've backed off that plan....

**KazDog** · 11-27-2006, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by kbsooner21

Flip flopping issues. John Kerry would be proud

Ha ha....Flip flopping because it's no less true than what being stated about the illegals.....

**jcindaville** · 11-27-2006, 04:29 PM

Cant we all just get along and respect one anothers opinions

**gbell** · 11-27-2006, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by KazDog

They are also the cheapest work force in this country. They also spend money like any other citizen....They put billions back into the economy as well.....How much are the Iraqi's spending here compared to the TRILLIONS being spent to liberate them?

No disputing they are cheap labor, but they are ILLEGAL labor. Maybe they can be used to put the "lock" on the border you talked about.
They spend money? Read the stats as to what they put in compared to what they take out.
Obviously you are anti-war, which is not what this debate is about. But let's do this. Let me concede that the war is costing a shitload of money, and the Iraqi's aren't spending anything here. And the money spent on the war is wrong.
So according to you, two wrongs definitely make a right, or the ILLEGAL people here aren't wrong?
Again, let me beat the fuck out of you and take your money, as long as my goal is noble and the war is costing more? Interesting argument.

**gbell** · 11-27-2006, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by KazDog

Those Statistics that you googled don't mean shit to me because it's not solving the problem. Bottom line, the problem is not going away. You can try and deal with the problem, or whine about how much it's costing. Do you think they come here and don't spend any money? They spend nearly as much as they make and more. They tried to crack down on farmers to not hire the laborers that were illegal and it crushed the farmers. It didn't work. Nobody wanted to work. Prices went up and they've backed off that plan....

You asked for stats to back up Bry's point. When you are faced with the "economic reality", now it doesn't mean shit? Can you please provide the information that "they spend nearly as much as they make and more" please? Thanks.

**KazDog** · 11-27-2006, 04:34 PM

"Again, let me beat the fuck out of you and take your money, as long as my goal is noble and the war is costing more? Interesting argument."

Sorry, I don't understand these comments you keep making and there validity...

If you think they aren't putting money back into the economy, you are wrong. The ratio to money spent in Iraq to money for illegals is astronomical. They add to the ecomony and they aren't leaving or being deported. Educate them so they are not such a burden to the tax payer

**gbell** · 11-27-2006, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by KazDog

You can try and deal with the problem, or whine about how much it's costing. Do you think they come here and don't spend any money? They spend nearly as much as they make and more. ....

I am/was trying to do something about it by pointing out the economic realities and the costs of ILLEGAL people being here breaking OUR laws. Maybe if more people were aware of the facts, and not blinded by a feel goody, bleeding heart, everything is okay as long as the goals are noble miindset, solutions could arise. But burying the facts, or ignoring them like some people are, doesn't solve anything either.

**KazDog** · 11-27-2006, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by gbell

You asked for stats to back up Bry's point. When you are faced with the "economic reality", now it doesn't mean shit? Can you please provide the information that "they spend nearly as much as they make and more" please? Thanks.

I don't have to have stats....It's called common sense

**gbell** · 11-27-2006, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by KazDog

"Again, let me beat the fuck out of you and take your money, as long as my goal is noble and the war is costing more? Interesting argument."

Sorry, I don't understand these comments you keep making and there validity...

If you think they aren't putting money back into the economy, you are wrong. The ratio to money spent in Iraq to money for illegals is astronomical. They add to the ecomony and they aren't leaving or being deported. Educate them so they are not such a burden to the tax payer

You can't be that dumb. You said it's okay to break the law, as long as my goals are noble and worthy. So let me break the law (beat the fuck out of you), and take your money, because I want to feed my family (noble goal/better life).

This debate isn't about whether or not more money is being spent on a war. And if it is, when the war is over, and no more money is being spent, you then will support ILLEGAL people, breaking the law, to face the music and pay for their crimes, or will you turn a blind eye to it, welcome in everyone, and use another, crazy comparison?

**10DimeBry** · 11-27-2006, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by KazDog

Those Statistics that you googled don't mean shit to me because it's not solving the problem. Bottom line, the problem is not going away. You can try and deal with the problem, or whine about how much it's costing. Do you think they come here and don't spend any money? They spend nearly as much as they make and more. They tried to crack down on farmers to not hire the laborers that were illegal and it crushed the farmers. It didn't work. Nobody wanted to work. Prices went up and they've backed off that plan....

what is your solution??? that is the problem with you LIBS. you are quick to shoot your mouth but you never offer a solution. just like the war. all i heard was this "we need a new direction in iraq" my response is.....okay what do you say we do??? answer??? silence!!!!!! please give me something,anything.

**gbell** · 11-27-2006, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by KazDog

I don't have to have stats....It's called common sense

You asked BRY for stats, can't I ask you? If it was about common sense, you wouldn't green light laws to be broken and not enforced. You wouldn't put emotions and a bleeding heart above the economic realities if it was about common sense.

**gbell** · 11-27-2006, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by 10DimeBry

what is your solution??? that is the problem with you LIBS. you are quick to shoot your mouth but you never offer a solution. just like the war. all i heard was this "we need a new direction in iraq" my response is.....okay what do you say we do??? answer??? silence!!!!!! please give me something,anything.

Bry, I am not even painting this as a LIB/CON argument. Just a logic one. What does the war spending have to do with ILLEGAL immigration? If he doesn't believe in the money being spent on a war, I am fine with that. He feels that is wrong. But when does the logic win that a person who kills one person should be okay but if you kill 5 people, it's not? His common sense lacking argument is that one poor spending is bad, but another poor spending is okay, only b/c it's not as bad as the worse/bigger spending. I don't get it.

**10DimeBry** · 11-27-2006, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by gbell

Bry, I am not even painting this as a LIB/CON argument. Just a logic one. What does the war spending have to do with ILLEGAL immigration? If he doesn't believe in the money being spent on a war, I am fine with that. He feels that is wrong. But when does the logic win that a person who kills one person should be okay but if you kill 5 people, it's not? His common sense lacking argument is that one poor spending is bad, but another poor spending is okay, only b/c it's not as bad as the worse/bigger spending. I don't get it.

my point is simply he and the rest of the Libs dont ever offer a solution to anything they see as a problem......all they do is yack yack yack and never say what they will do to change anything. they have no solution....... i cant even debate something if i dont know what they stand for and what they will do/offer to fix the problems at hand.

**KazDog** · 11-27-2006, 04:49 PM

Your point is not valid because they are not breaking the law. What law did I say they were breaking? We allow them to be here, we are not going to deport them. PERIOD! And, of course you will have good and bad just like any other kind of people that are here. You think there no no Asian gangs or crimes committed by Asians? Gimme a break

I don't have a solution Bry. Deporting or telling them they can't be seen by a doctor, isn't a solution. It's idiotic.

And guess what, I didn't start this thread with incorrect stats from the LA Times and then proceed to whine about it. Personally, I don't give a fat fuck if a small portion of my tax dollars go to welfare. I do care that the majority of my tax dollars is paying for a war we won't win.

**gbell** · 11-27-2006, 04:50 PM

And what's their crime? Trying to better themselves and give their families a little extra that they weren't getting in Mexico.

The crime is enetrering ILLEGALLY. And probably, more often then not, NOT paying taxes on money "under the table."

Put yourself in their shoes. If you had an opportunity to better yourself or give something a little more to your family, wouldn't you try as well? Why bust they're nuts for trying to better themselves?

I want to give more food to my family Kaz. I want to better myself with an education but I need money. According to you, it's okay to break the law to do that?

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