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  • #16
    Originally posted by The Lovedoc
    So Papi had more RBI's...so what, ARod beat him in everything else and played defense!!
    I hate arod but i think he deserves the mvp. He is a great hitter and plays great defense.

    Bry i think defense is a big part of a mvp award. I dont know if the voters feel that way but i do. IMO an mvp should be great offensivley and defensivley.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by The Lovedoc
      So Papi had more RBI's...so what, ARod beat him in everything else and played defense!!
      Great defense.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by 10DimeBry
        someone please explain to me why a DH cant win the mvp??? its about offensive #'s exclusively. If you say defense matters then why didnt brooks robinson win like 10MVP's????? the guy was a solid hitter and prolly the best fielder ever. Please answer this question
        The award is called MVP Most valuable PLAYER

        not MVH Most valuable HITTER

        Gay-Rod and Pappi both had great years. You have to give the edge to A-Rod. He's the better PLAYER.

        Bry you can't argue the Gay-Rod is the better all-around player than Ortiz.

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        • #19
          you guys are just proving my point. Defense doesnt matter. Get that thru your head. They have gold gloves for defense. Its about #'s and what the player has done for his team. GAY rod isnt even the mvp of his own team. Mariano is. If you know anything about GAY Rod or watched him which i have cause i'm stuck with yankees coverage. Gayrod got most of his HR's rbi's in situation where games were already decided one way or the other. IE he pads his stats. This isnt even an arguement. NOW if you wanted to argue Rivera should be MVP i'll listen. But gay rod NO WAY.
          Last edited by 10DimeBry; 10-11-2005, 08:59 AM.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by frankb03
            The award is called MVP Most valuable PLAYER

            not MVH Most valuable HITTER

            Gay-Rod and Pappi both had great years. You have to give the edge to A-Rod. He's the better PLAYER.

            Bry you can't argue the Gay-Rod is the better all-around player than Ortiz.

            you're absolutely right!

            GayRod will get it!

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            • #21
              Originally posted by frankb03
              Bry you can't argue the Gay-Rod is the better all-around player than Ortiz.

              Gay rod is a better player all around. But better hitter? no way. Big papi is a monster and mr clutch. Manny struggled early this year and Ortiz carried the team. Gay rod has jeter,giambi,sheff,matsushi, all hitting around him. Who besides manny does papi have?? This arguement is a joke. Gay rod is one of the most OVERRATED players ever.
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              • #22
                Bry i know they have gold gloves for defense. You dont think the MVP should be an all around good player?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by RJeremy
                  you're absolutely right!

                  GayRod will get it!
                  shut up, you just want Gay rod to win because you have his signature MAN BAG
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by 10DimeBry
                    Gayrod got most of his HR's rbi's in situation where games were already decided one way or the other.
                    Do you think the average sportswriter is aware of that? Assuming it's correct. Probably not. That's why I think these awards are a joke. Too many sportswrites vote solely on numbers.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by JBC13
                      Bry i know they have gold gloves for defense. You dont think the MVP should be an all around good player?

                      NO not at all. If that was the case then why didnt so many others win MVP's??? That arguement is just a lame ass excuse. Gay rod aint the MVP of his own team. How could he be the MVP of the AL?????
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by frankb03
                        The award is called MVP Most valuable PLAYER

                        not MVH Most valuable HITTER

                        Gay-Rod and Pappi both had great years. You have to give the edge to A-Rod. He's the better PLAYER.

                        Bry you can't argue the Gay-Rod is the better all-around player than Ortiz.
                        I have to disagree;if I am not mistaken, the award is for which player is most valuable to his team.
                        Judging by how many crucial hits Ortiz got late in the game to lift the Sox in into the lead or propel them to victory, I think Ortiz should get it defense not withstanding.
                        Even though award is for this year, I cannot help but be influenced by the fact that ARod has NEVER won a WS anywhere, where as Ortiz has;in my mind intangibles must be considered, and I think Ortiz gets the edge here.
                        I know it has been said before but I consider Ortiz a better team player all things considered than is ARod.
                        Lets put it this way: there is no way in hell that I would trade Ortiz for ARod(and I would bet anything that Theo wouldn't either);as I stated previously, Sox have won the WS with Ortiz-neither the Yans, Mariners or Rangers have won a WS with ARod, and in actuality, the aforementioned teams have played better without him.
                        Last edited by savage1; 10-11-2005, 09:08 AM.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by frankb03
                          Do you think the average sportswriter is aware of that? Assuming it's correct. Probably not. That's why I think these awards are a joke. Too many sportswrites vote solely on numbers.

                          exactly right frank. Thats prolly why gay rod will win the award. Its like those who vote in NCAA football polls. Many dont have a fuckin clue. I've always said if you wanted to make a real poll or select real awards let gamblers decide. They know much more than any writer does.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by 10DimeBry
                            NO not at all. If that was the case then why didnt so many others win MVP's??? That arguement is just a lame ass excuse. Gay rod aint the MVP of his own team. How could he be the MVP of the AL?????
                            I know they dont look at defense that much. The point i am trying to make is that defense should be looked at more. IMO the MVP should be a good hitter and a good defensive player and Arod is both of those.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by 10DimeBry
                              exactly right frank. Thats prolly why gay rod will win the award. Its like those who vote in NCAA football polls. Many dont have a fuckin clue. I've always said if you wanted to make a real poll or select real awards let gamblers decide. They know much more than any writer does.
                              let gamblers decide BWAHAHAHHAHA

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by JBC13
                                I know they dont look at defense that much. The point i am trying to make is that defense should be looked at more. IMO the MVP should be a good hitter and a good defensive player and Arod is both of those.

                                my point is Brooks robinson was awesome, so was ozzie smith at defense. You dont see them taking home MVP awards now do you???? JBC do you think a kicker should win MVP in NFL????
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