Why Ruth is better then Bonds....

[BrezzeEaze]

That's cool, RWALL, this will a lively topic for years to come!

[rented mule]

Okay, so Bonds is the 2nd greatest player ever. He sucks.

[rwall]

That's cool, RWALL, this will a lively topic for years to come!

Until the next drug enhanced players come along........and I'm Spark's age ....I'll probably be arguing and saying Bonds is the greatest of all time....

I enjoy debates Thanks

[BrezzeEaze]

Since I now live in SF, I have seen Bonds play live and he simply electrifies a game. Saw him hit 661 and 700.
Much like Griffrey did in his prime as well as Reggie Jackson did even when he finished his career with the Angels. I also think that Clemens and Ryan also were and still are awesome to watch play. I saw Ryan throw his last pitch in Seattle, it was a very sad moment as he last 1/3 of inning and threw out his arm for good.
Also saw Carew stroke his 3000th hit and Sutton rack up his 300th win. I will always remember those great moments.

[Sportsrmylife]

Guys you all have a good debate about Bonds vs Ruth. But I want you to ask yourself this. Ruth nevered played against the best players in the world. He never had to face any Cubans, Domincians, African Americans, etc. I bet with everything that I have that the pitchers back in the day didn't all throw in the 90s like they do today. I bet more of the guys threw in the mid to low 80s which would be consider batting practice these days.

You can't compare stats with these two. Think about what Bonds would be hitting if they pitched to him all the time like they did to Ruth. I mean Ruth struck out over 2000 times!!! They went after him know that it was feast or nothing with him. Plus look at those gloves the fielders used back then. Man they were playing baseball with oven mitts. How many plays in the whole or the outfielder running in the gaps didn't make those plays like they do today.

Bonds was a better overall baseball player before roids than ruth. He was a 5 tool athlete while Ruth as just a pitcher and home run hitter.

I think that the fact that Bonds is suck a piece of shit has people saying that Ruth was a better player. But in your right mind you can't believe that!!

[Parkway_Plaza]

Greatest HomeRun hitter of all time

CANDY MALDONADO

[ChuckLazar]

I have to add that Bonds was 0 for in the NLCS when he played for the Pirates! We lost to At and Bonds choked....
He left Bad memories to many of us Pgh Fans!!

[frankb03]

There's no arguement here. Bonds could never play in the 20s. Back then it was a team game. Not a ME game.

There's easily 10 baseball players I'd take before Bonds.

1. Ruth
2. Gehrig
3. DiMaggio
4. Mays
5. Mantle
6. Williams
7. Foxx
8. Aaron
9. Reggie Jackson
10. Cobb

Those are only ones I can think off the top of my head.

[frankb03]

The one part of th argument about pitching I do not like is this---there are too many specialized pitchers. True but their areplenty of specialized pitchers WHO SUCK MOOSE C**K. These guys are awful. How does Mike Stanton still have a job, or alan Embree uh cause they are left handed. I am teaching my son (who is 2) to throw left handed because if he can do that and throw an occasional strike at 86 miles an hour, he can make millions in MLB until hes 50. All the advantages the hitters have now with the minature strike zone, the armor they wear, lower mound. Withthe end of the season coming ESPN Classic should be running a replya of the 78 Bucky Dent game--take a look at how far away from the plate those guys are. Take away the armor, and maybe pitcher would be taught to throw strikes. Here is a stat that will show the difference in how the game is pitched today---watch any game, and when the bases are loaded see what the players lifetime avg is. I GUARANTEE that the avergae player will have at least 15 official at bats with the bases loaded PER YEAR. in their career. Official ABs dont include any sac flys or walks or errors that happened with the bases loaded either. The only way for the bases to be jimmy jacked all the time like that is that pitcher WALK WAY 2 MANY PEOPLE. Im a Yankees fan--Cano is a rookie who has batted 2nd, and 7th-9th this year, and I believe he has 17 or 18 ABs with the bases loaded---thats terrible. So while their are more specialists---with the amount of exapnsion in the last 70 years, I feel pitching is very diluted and the idea of the "specialty pitcher" is overrated. Sorry for my rantings celtics72

In the 20s, 30s and 40s. For the most part their was no NFL or other major sports. Baseball got all the top athletes. Today's baseball players are a fuckin joke. 95% of them could never play the game generations ago.

[frankb03]

Guys you all have a good debate about Bonds vs Ruth. But I want you to ask yourself this. Ruth nevered played against the best players in the world. He never had to face any Cubans, Domincians, African Americans, etc. I bet with everything that I have that the pitchers back in the day didn't all throw in the 90s like they do today. I bet more of the guys threw in the mid to low 80s which would be consider batting practice these days.

You can't compare stats with these two. Think about what Bonds would be hitting if they pitched to him all the time like they did to Ruth. I mean Ruth struck out over 2000 times!!! They went after him know that it was feast or nothing with him. Plus look at those gloves the fielders used back then. Man they were playing baseball with oven mitts. How many plays in the whole or the outfielder running in the gaps didn't make those plays like they do today.

Bonds was a better overall baseball player before roids than ruth. He was a 5 tool athlete while Ruth as just a pitcher and home run hitter.

I think that the fact that Bonds is suck a piece of shit has people saying that Ruth was a better player. But in your right mind you can't believe that!!

WOW Sportsrmylife I don't know how old you are but you are clueless.

At this point Ruth has approx 1000 less AB than Bonds

Ruth is 9th alltime in Batting average
Bonds doesn't make the top 100

Ruth is 2nd all time in On base %
Bonds is 6th

Ruth is 1st in Slugging %
Bonds is 5th

That fat ballplayer Ruth is 71 all time in triples. Bonds once again doesn't make the top 100

Bonds is 10th all time in strikeouts. Ruth is 71st.

There's no comparison between the two. I'd take Gehrig over Bonds.

Regarding your comment about Bonds facing the greatest baseball players in the world. That too is a joke. The baseball players of today couldn't shine the shoes of the players 50+ years ago.

As I state durint the Ruth era there was only one major sport. Baseball had the best athletes in the world. In 1927 there were 16 teams. The talent wasn't diluted like it is today.

[griffey_mojo]

Yeah you tell em Frank.

[frankb03]

I mean Ruth struck out over 2000 times!!!

Hey Rocket Scientist! Where are you getting your facts?

Ruth has struck out 1330 times.

Bonds has struck out 1428 thru 2004

[frankb03]

Bonds was a better overall baseball player before roids than ruth. He was a 5 tool athlete while Ruth as just a pitcher and home run hitter.

Another clueless comment

As an outfielder Ruth had 4444 PO, 204 assists, 48 double plays

Bonds has 3023 PO, ONLY 103 assists 13 double plays.

Ruth did have more errors but lets not forget Ruth had a much bigger outfield to defend.

Ruth's slugging % in the WS? A staggering .744

Bonds playoff and WS slugging % .503

[sar1957]

Sportsrmylife, you're kidding right? I was going to mention the strikeout discrepancy, but Frank got it. "Just a pitcher & home run hitter"..........WOW......Ruth had the world series record for most consecutive scoreless innings for almost 40 years before I believe Whitey Ford broke it. Ruth probably lost close to 4 years as a fulltime hitter because he was a very good pitcher. In 1916, he won 23 games, had 9 shutouts, 170 k's, & an ERA of 1.75. He won 24 games the next year (he won 18 in 1915). What other player in baseball history had that combination of ability? To me, it's not fair to compare Ruth & Bonds, Ruth is hands down the greatest baseball player of all time. Bonds is great, Ruth is the greatest. And by the way, someone, mentioned Ruth cheated on his wife as a way to counter Bond's alleged steroid use, Bonds cheated on his wife also................

[griffey_mojo]

IT's really sad how Bond's is out there trying to play D. Guys are consistently running on his shitty arm. They don't respect his d at all. Now he's got the center fielder Wynn catching his balls.