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  • #16
    The very latest from ESPN ...........

    9:21 PM

    Sources: Red Sox discussing deals to trade Manny
    ESPN.com news services


    With less than 24 hours before the trade deadline, the Boston Red Sox are engaged in serious conversations to trade Manny Ramirez to the Florida Marlins, as well as other teams, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney.


    The deadline to trade players without going to waivers is Thursday at 4 p.m. ET. As a player with 10 years in the majors and five with the same team, Ramirez has the right to veto any deal.

    "They haven't asked me for anything," Ramirez told ESPNdeportes.com's Enrique Rojas on the phone from Fenway Park before the Red Sox-Angels matchup on Wednesday night.

    "The Red Sox don't deserve a player like me," Ramirez said. "During my years here I've seen how they [the Red Sox] have mistreated other great players when they didn't want them to try to turn the fans against them.

    "The Red Sox did the same with guys like Nomar Garciaparra and Pedro Martinez, and now they do the same with me. Their goal is to paint me as the bad guy," Ramirez added. "I love Boston fans, but the Red Sox don't deserve me. I'm not talking about money. Mental peace has no price and I don't have peace here."

    The deal may be a long shot, but Marlins president David Samson didn't rule it out Wednesday.

    On his weekly radio show, Samson addressed reports the Marlins are discussing a trade to acquire Ramirez from the Red Sox.

    "The Marlins always seem to be in the middle of everything," Samson said on WAXY-AM. "It takes two to tango. We're looking everywhere. We're making calls. We're getting calls. But we're not going to be stupid."

    Asked specifically if a deal for Ramirez was possible, Samson said, "I've always told you everything is possible. There are all sorts of crazy things. There's no way to say which trades are going to happen."

    If the Red Sox plan to get rid of Ramirez, they haven't told the left fielder.

    "Boston hasn't said anything, they haven't asked me to sign any papers or anything like that," Ramirez told Rojas.

    "There are still many hours left before the trading deadline, but I doubt that they will trade me."

    Ramirez makes nearly as much as the Marlins' entire roster -- he's in the final guaranteed year of his eight-year, $160 million contract. The Red Sox have options for each of the next two seasons at $20 million.

    The Marlins' payroll of $22 million is by far the smallest in the majors. They've been one of the most surprising teams in the majors and went into Wednesday's play only two games behind the NL East-leading New York Mets, and 1½ games behind second-place Philadelphia.

    Ramirez's often turbulent relationship with the Red Sox took a new twist Sunday when he said, "I'm tired of them. They're tired of me."

    But there's a good chance the Red Sox will keep him. And Samson said the Marlins may stand pat with confidence they have "as good a chance to win the division as the Mets and Phillies."

    If the Red Sox make a deal with the Marlins, it is likely they would kick in money to offset Ramirez's salary, and they would look for three young players in return -- perhaps outfielder Jeremy Hermida or outfielder Josh Willingham, plus pitchers, sources told Olney and ESPN.com's Jayson Stark.

    "Trying to find a match is just hard," Samson said. "I can't say teams are exactly lining up to deal with the Marlins at the moment."


    The Pittsburgh Pirates have joined the talks in a possible three-way deal for Ramirez. The sides are also discussing moving lefty reliever John Grabow from Pittsburgh to the Red Sox. The current sticking point, a well-placed source told Olney, is that the Marlins want the Red Sox to add a prospect to their take in the deal.


    Speculation about a possible Ramirez deal was greeted with amusement in the clubhouse before Florida's game Wednesday night against the Mets. Hermida was among the players mentioned in reports as possible trade bait for the Red Sox.

    "You going to Boston?" teammate Dan Uggla shouted at Hermida.

    "I don't know. I guess so," Hermida said with slight smile.

    Manager Fredi Gonzalez laughed off questions about a possible deal and where Ramirez would play for Florida.

    "I think we'll just straight DH him," Gonzalez said.

    Ramirez is hitting .301 with 20 home runs and 68 RBIs.

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    • #17
      By Dejan Kovacevic | 9:14 p.m. Wednesday

      The Pirates, Boston and Florida are discussing a complex three-way trade that would send outfielder Jason Bay to the Red Sox and reliever John Grabow to either the Red Sox or Marlins, depending on how the deal is configured.

      Preliminary indications are that the Pirates would receive four or more prospects, along with, possibly, Florida outfielder Jeremy Hermida. It is expected, though, that Hermida would not be the centerpiece. That would have to be two elite prospects.

      Earlier in the day, talks about Bay cooled between the Pirates and Tampa Bay, as the Rays steadfastly declined to include any of their top three pitching prospects.

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      • #18
        by Will Carroll

        The Commissioner’s Office has been informed of a deal involving the Pirates, Red Sox, and Marlins. The Commissioner has to sign off on any deal involving cash considerations of more than a million dollars and there was clearly going to be cash involved in any deal. There’s also some formality about Manny Ramirez waiving his 10-5 rights and no trade clause and I’ll admit not understanding the technicalities.

        So here’s what Pee Wee Herman would call the “big but.” The teams, I am told, have not agreed on the specific prospects to be included in the deal. It’s expected that in addition to the principals, the Red Sox would get John Grabow and give up two prospects while the Marlins would get one prospect and give up two. There’s still a lot of haggling but my scribbling notes make it look like the structure of the deal is:

        Marlins get Manny Ramirez, one prospect (BOS), and cash (likely Ramirez’s remaining salary)
        Pirates get Jeremy Hermida and three prospects (two FLO, one BOS)
        Red Sox get Jason Bay and John Grabow

        There is still potential for this to fall apart over the prospects, though things appear closer now than ever before.

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        • #19
          Who did the Angels get today?

          SOBER SINCE MARCH 28TH OF 2007!!!

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          • #20
            Manny will not be a Red Sox tomorrow.

            Bye Bye you talented SCUMBAG!!!!!!
            Nothing is as far away as one minute ago.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Chado1
              Who did the Angels get today?



              they made a bad move today....

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              • #22
                Cubs are discussing trades for a left-handed hitter, including Raul Ibanez. He is a curious fit and would leave the Cubs with questionable outfield corner defense. But, the Mariners have to be happy that a suitor has emerged aside from the Mets. The price remains two quality prospects.

                Rosenthal says the Cubs could also turn to bench players or just stand pat. The Cubs already have a decent lefty-hitting bench player in Mike Fontenot.



                The Cubs have inquired about San Diego's Brian Giles and Kansas City's David DeJesus, according to sources.

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                • #23
                  by Kevin Goldstein

                  Maybe, maybe not. Here’s the thing, I’ve heard the Manny to Florida deal in about five different variations, and if you add in the variations from Will and John, it probably gets into the teens. My best source has it as (and this is somewhat simpler than others):

                  Mike Stanton (Low-A slugger), Ryan Tucker and Jeremy Hermida go to Pittsburgh

                  Jason Bay and John Grabow go to Boston

                  Manny Ramirez goes to Florida, with Boston paying every cent of what’s still owed to him this year.

                  Who’s right? Who’s wrong? I don’t know, but my guess is nobody nails this one until it’s done.

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                  • #24
                    Finally, some Dunn rumors. ESPN's Jayson Stark says the Rays are talking with the Reds about Dunn, though he's their Plan B to Jason Bay. I imagine Dunn would DH for the Rays.

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                    • #25
                      According to SI.com's Jon Heyman, the Diamondbacks offered Chad Tracy to the Reds for Adam Dunn. He says another NL team has also inquired on Dunn

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by GOLDENGREEK
                        The Rangers inquired on three pitchers recently: Zack Greinke of the Royals, Boof Bonser of the Twins, and Nick Masset of the White Sox. Greinke would be near-impossible to pry loose, though Chris Davis would be an interesting offer.
                        C'MON Texas Mgt. - Please get at least two of them ---Please

                        signed
                        The Thrill

                        PS - just a reminder to Mgmt.----THE DEADLINE IS TODAY!!!!!!
                        updated thru 4/04 play

                        CFB: (0-1) 1.05 units
                        NFL: (0-0) 0.0 units

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Bill the Thrill
                          C'MON Texas Mgt. - Please get at least two of them ---Please

                          signed
                          The Thrill

                          PS - just a reminder to Mgmt.----THE DEADLINE IS TODAY!!!!!!
                          They could really use a starting pitcher. Imagine if they had CC ? he would be undefeated with that lineup behind him.

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                          • #28
                            Rays would be a much better offensive team with Adam Dunn in that lineup.

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                            • #29
                              Griffey approves trade.

                              Arthur Rhodes goes to the Marlins.
                              NFL System - Year 1
                              Week 2 3-2 +0.8 Units
                              Week 3 3-2-1 +0.8 Units
                              Week 3 3-3 -0.3 Units
                              Week 4 3-2 +0.8 Units
                              Week 5 2-3 -1.3 Units
                              Week 6 4-1 +2.9 Units
                              Week 7 3-0 +3.0 Units
                              Week 8 2-3 -2.35 Units
                              Week 9 0-1 -1.1 Units
                              Season Total 23-17 +3.35 Units

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by GOLDENGREEK
                                According to SI.com's Jon Heyman, the Diamondbacks offered Chad Tracy to the Reds for Adam Dunn. He says another NL team has also inquired on Dunn
                                I laughed when I saw this. Adam Dunn is one of the only true powerhitters in the game. Chad Tracy is mediocre player at best. I wanna know what the Reds response was.

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