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    Online wagering under attack in Congress
    Gamblers who prefer their laptops to blackjack tables won't like what Congress is doing. On Tuesday, the House plans to vote on a bill that would ban credit cards for paying online bets and could padlock gambling Web sites.

    The legislation would clarify existing law to spell out that it is illegal to gamble online.

    To enforce that ban, the bill would prohibit credit cards and other payment forms, such as electronic transfers, from being used to settle online wagers. It also would give law enforcement officials the authority to work with Internet providers to block access to gambling Web sites.

    Some opponents of the legislation say policing the Internet is impossible, that it would be better to regulate the $12 billion industry and collect taxes from it. The online gambling industry is based almost entirely outside the United States, though about half its customers live in the U.S.

    Other critics complain that the bill doesn't cover all forms of gambling. They point to exemptions they say would allow online lotteries and Internet betting on horse racing to flourish.

    "If you're going to support legislation that is supposed to 'prohibit gambling,' you should not have carve-outs," said Andrea Lafferty, executive director of the conservative Traditional Values Coalition.

    Other conservative and antigambling groups are supporting the legislation, sponsored by Reps. Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., and Jim Leach, R-Iowa.

    John Kindt, a business professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign who has studied the issue, calls the Internet "the crack cocaine" of gambling.

    "There are no needle marks. There's no alcohol on the breath. You just click the mouse and lose your house," he said.

    Congress has considered similar bills several times before. In 2000, disgraced lobbyist Jack Ambramoff led a fierce campaign against it on behalf of an online lottery company.

    Online lotteries are allowed in the latest bill, largely at the behest of states that increasingly rely on lotteries to augment tax revenues.

    Pro-sports leagues also like the bill, arguing that Web wagering could hurt the integrity of their sports.

    The horse racing industry also supports the bill because of the exemption it would get. Betting operators would not be prohibited from any activity allowed under the Internet Horseracing Act. That law written in the 1970s set up rules for interstate betting on racing. It was updated a few years ago to clarify that betting on horse racing over the Internet is allowed.

    Greg Avioli, chief executive officer of the National Thoroughbred Racing Association, said the mention of horse racing in the bill is "a recognition of existing federal law," not a new carve-out.

    He said the racing industry has a strong future in the digital age and acknowledged the bill would send Internet gamblers to racing sites. "They'd return to the one place they can bet legally," Avioli said.

    That's what some critics say is unfair.

    "Somehow we find ourselves in a situation where Congress has gotten in the business of cherry-picking types of gambling," complained Rep. Robert Wexler (news, bio, voting record), D-Fla. Wexler had tried unsuccessfully to include exemptions for dog racing and jai alai, both popular in Florida.

    The Justice Department has taken a different view on the legality of Internet betting on horse races. In a World Trade Organization case involving Antigua, the department said online betting on horse racing remains illegal under the 1961 Wire Act despite the existence of the more recently passed Interstate Horseracing Act.

    The department hasn't actively enforced its stance, but observers say it is possible the agency and the racing industry could face off in court in the future.

    Sen. Jon Kyl (news, bio, voting record), R-Ariz., is leading support for the ban in the Senate. The issue has so far not been debated in that chamber this year.

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    The bill is H.R.4411

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    John Kindt, a business professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign who has studied the issue, calls the Internet "the crack cocaine" of gambling.

    "There are no needle marks. There's no alcohol on the breath. You just click the mouse and lose your house," he said.

    This is just too stupid for words.
    As I said last week, I know of someone who lost his house, wife, job, health, etc. because he bought too many instant lottery tickets and lost control;thats supposed to be ok thoughtbecause it is sponsored by the state. John Kindt would be "kindt" to keep his dumb remarks to himself.

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    • #3
      fuck you John Kindt
      2007 BCS and 2009 BCS CHAMPS
      2006 & 2007 NCAA MENS BASKETBALL CHAMPS
      2008 & 2010 RAYS BASEBALL AMERICAN LEAGUE CHAMPS

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      • #4
        GuYS WE AT TIMES ARE THE MOST IGNORANT COUNTRY IN THE WORLD-IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE IF THEY BAN THE NET,PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GAMBLE,THEY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO CRACK DOWN ON WHORES FOR A LONG TIME ALSO-LAST I HEARD -THEY ARE STILL SELLING CUNT-WAKE UP AND SMELL THE MOTHERFUCKING COFFEE-LEGALIZE AND TAX ONLINE POKER AND SPORTS BETTING AND CURE THE NATIONAL DEBT PROBLEM IN ABOUT 10 YEARS-POLITICIANS WAKE UP-BANNING THE INTERNET IS NOT GOING TO STOP COMPULSIVE GAMBLERS-DO YOU THINK THE ILLEGAL BOOKMAKERS ARE NOT GETTING WHITE STUFF ON THEIR LEGS FROM THIS LEGISLATION,NOT TO MENTION VEGAS-GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK-HOW CAN OUR NATION'S POLITICIANS BE THAT STUPID ? PS-I HAVE WORKED WITH PEOPLE WITH ADDICTION PROBLEMS FOR 20 YEARS-TAKE THEIR POT AWAY FROM THEM AND THEY WILL GO TO PILLS-GAMBLERS ARE NO DIFFERENT-WHY DON'T THEY WORK ON RECOVERY ISSUES-THATS WHERE THE HOPE LIES-SINCERELY DOCTOR J.
        Last edited by WayneChung; 07-10-2006, 06:11 PM.
        DON'T YOU EAT THE YELLOW SNOW !! PS-MARVIN LOVES SPLIT SALAD !!

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        • #5
          How come countries like Ireland and the UK don't care if their citizens gamble online? They don't even tax them on their winnings. Yet the so called Land of the Free wants to bully and tell it's people what they can or can not do. Fuck em, I am not going to stop gambling online.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JimmyBlaze
            How come countries like Ireland and the UK don't care if their citizens gamble online? They don't even tax them on their winnings. Yet the so called Land of the Free wants to bully and tell it's people what they can or can not do. Fuck em, I am not going to stop gambling online.
            YEH JIMMY AND I GUESS THEY THINK ALL THE ILLEGAL BOOKMAKERS ARE GOING TO PACK UP AND LEAVE THE COUNTRY BECAUSE OF THE INTERNET BAN-WHAT A FUCKING JOKE-LOL !!
            DON'T YOU EAT THE YELLOW SNOW !! PS-MARVIN LOVES SPLIT SALAD !!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by waynechung
              YEH JIMMY AND I GUESS THEY THINK ALL THE ILLEGAL BOOKMAKERS ARE GOING TO PACK UP AND LEAVE THE COUNTRY BECAUSE OF THE INTERNET BAN-WHAT A FUCKING JOKE-LOL !!
              HEY JIMMY-THE SMALLER POKER ROOMS AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE LOST PLAYERS DUE TO THE NET ARE JACKING OFF ON THIS LEGISLATION ALSO-LOL !!
              Last edited by WayneChung; 07-10-2006, 06:23 PM.
              DON'T YOU EAT THE YELLOW SNOW !! PS-MARVIN LOVES SPLIT SALAD !!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by waynechung
                YEH JIMMY AND I GUESS THEY THINK ALL THE ILLEGAL BOOKMAKERS ARE GOING TO PACK UP AND LEAVE THE COUNTRY BECAUSE OF THE INTERNET BAN-WHAT A FUCKING JOKE-LOL !!
                What it could mean if the illegal bookmaker's' business picks up is more under the table money for the cops and other enforcement (actually non-enforcement) people to look the other way. Of course more money would now be available for the "legal" lotteries run by the States all for the "noble" purpose of helping out the individual cities and towns.
                Last edited by savage1; 07-10-2006, 06:27 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by savage1
                  What it could mean if the illegal bookmaker's' business picks up is more under the table money for the cops and other enforcement (actually non-enforcement) people to look the other way. Of course more money would now be available for the "legal" lotteries run by the States all for the "noble" purpose of helping out the individual cities and towns.
                  SAVAGE IMO-ANYBODY THAT SPENDS OVER 10 BUCKS A WEEK ON THE LOTTERY NEEDS TO BE IN GA-AT LEAST ON A BALL GAME YOUR ODDS ARE CLOSE TO 50-50 !!
                  DON'T YOU EAT THE YELLOW SNOW !! PS-MARVIN LOVES SPLIT SALAD !!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by waynechung
                    SAVAGE IMO-ANYBODY THAT SPENDS OVER 10 BUCKS A WEEK ON THE LOTTERY NEEDS TO BE IN GA-AT LEAST ON A BALL GAME YOUR ODDS ARE CLOSE TO 50-50 !!
                    Chung-what you say is true, but remember there are some real sickos out there who REALLY believe if they keep buying these things, sooner or later they will hit it and be on the road to riches.
                    Its funny too that the guy I described earlier who lost everything eventually, according to the store owner actually won a few 5K jackpots along the way but just used those proceeds to buy even more tickets figuring the multi million dollar jackpot was just around the corner.
                    Last edited by savage1; 07-10-2006, 06:34 PM.

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                    • #11
                      WE HAVE KIDS OUT THEIR KILLING PEOPLE TO GET A 20 DOLLAR PIECE OF CRACK AND WHAT ARE OUR NATIONS LaWMAKERS HUDDLED UP ON-INTERNET GAMBLING-HIP-HIP-HOO-RAY // whats that country you guys were talking about in europe ? what do they say when they score wayne ? what is "GOOOOOAAAAAAAALLLLLL" !!
                      DON'T YOU EAT THE YELLOW SNOW !! PS-MARVIN LOVES SPLIT SALAD !!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by savage1
                        Chung-what you say is true, but remember there are some real sickos out there who REALLY believe if they keep buying these things, sooner or later they will hit it and be on the road to riches.
                        Its funny too that the guy I described earlier who lost everything eventually, according to the store owner actually won a few 5K jackpots along the way but just used those proceeds to buy even more tickets figuring the multi million dollar jackpot was just around the corner.
                        ON THAT SAME NOTE SAVAGE-I WATCHED A SICKO AT A LOCAL CASINO COME UP TO THE 100 DOLLAR SLOT-HE DROPS THE HUNDRED IN AND IT ROLLS HIM A RED,WHITE,AND BLUE SEVEN-THE BIGGEST JACKPOT ON THAT MACHINE-PAID HIM 40 GRAND,IF HE HAD BET 200 IT WOULD HAVE PAID 100 GRAND // ANYWAY THE GUY ASKED TO BE PAID IN HUNDREDS-I COME BACK AN HOUR LATER AND THE GUY IS FEEDING THE MACHINE THOSE HUNDREDS AS FAST AS IT WOULD TAKE THEM-IF I HAD HIT THAT JACKPOT-SUPERMAN COULD NOT HAVE STOPPED ME FROM LEAVING THAT CASINO-IN FACT IF IT WAS NIGHT-I WOULD HAVE PAID THE ROOM BILL AND LEFT RIGHT THEN-MY POINT-THE SICKOS CAN GET ACTION-AREN'T THERE CASINOS IN LIKE 38 STATES NOW,FOR THE SICKOS-INDIANA HAS THE LOWEST PAYING SLOT MACHINES IN THE US-SO BE SURE AND PLAY THE SLOTS THERE AND DON'T FORGET YOUR LOTTO TICKET ON THE RIDE HOME-LOL !!
                        Last edited by WayneChung; 07-10-2006, 06:48 PM.
                        DON'T YOU EAT THE YELLOW SNOW !! PS-MARVIN LOVES SPLIT SALAD !!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by waynechung
                          ON THAT SAME NOTE SAVAGE-I WATCHED A SICKO AT A LOCAL CASINO COME UP TO THE 100 DOLLAR SLOT-HE DROPS THE HUNDRED IN AND IT ROLLS HIM A RED,WHITE,AND BLUE SEVEN-THE BIGGEST JACKPOT ON THAT MACHINE-PAID HIM 40 GRAND,IF HE HAD BET 200 IT WOULD HAVE PAID 100 GRAND // ANYWAY THE GUY ASKED TO BE PAID IN HUNDREDS-I COME BACK AN HOUR LATER AND THE GUY IS FEEDING THE MACHINE THOSE HUNDREDS AS FAST AS IT WOULD TAKE THEM-IF I HAD HIT THAT JACKPOT-SUPERMAN COULD NOT HAVE STOPPED ME FROM LEAVING THAT CASINO-IN FACT IF IT WAS NIGHT-I WOULD HAVE PAID THE ROOM BILL AND LEFT RIGHT THEN-MY POINT-THE SICKOS CAN GET ACTION-AREN'T THERE CASINOS IN LIKE 38 STATES NOW,FOR THE SICKOS-INDIANA HAS THE LOWEST PAYING SLOT MACHINES IN THE US-SO BE SURE AND PLAY THE SLOTS THERE AND DON'T FORGET YOUR LOTTO TICKET ON THE RIDE HOME-LOL !!
                          That story is really sad and just shows you sometimes that for some even when you win, you actually lose if you get my drift.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by savage1
                            John Kindt, a business professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign who has studied the issue, calls the Internet "the crack cocaine" of gambling.

                            "There are no needle marks. There's no alcohol on the breath. You just click the mouse and lose your house," he said.

                            This is just too stupid for words.
                            As I said last week, I know of someone who lost his house, wife, job, health, etc. because he bought too many instant lottery tickets and lost control;thats supposed to be ok thoughtbecause it is sponsored by the state. John Kindt would be "kindt" to keep his dumb remarks to himself.
                            That happens every day with Illegal Drugs.

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                            • #15
                              I KNOW WHAT A LOT OF YoU ARE THINKING-CHUNGER UNCLE SAM AND THE G MAN ARE WATCHING AND LISTENING-WELL WHO GIVES A FUCK,I'M NOT RUNNING ILLEGAL GAMBLING RINGS AND I PAY MY TAXES-EOS-LOL !! :christmas PS-IF ANY GOVT. AGENTS READ THIS-SHOW THE ABOVE LETTERS TO YOUR BOSSES-NO SHIT IF YOU LEGALIZE AND TAX ONLINE POKER AND SPORTS GAMBLING-THE NATIONAL DEBT PROBLEM WILL BE CURED QUICKLY-AND THIS COMES FROM AND OLD-SCHOOLER I AIN'T JUST WRITING THIS CRAP TO WASTE TIME-LIKE PAUL H. SAYS GOOD DAY !!
                              Last edited by WayneChung; 07-10-2006, 07:03 PM.
                              DON'T YOU EAT THE YELLOW SNOW !! PS-MARVIN LOVES SPLIT SALAD !!

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