Super Bowl: Steelers vs Packers (2/6)

[ChuckLazar]

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I feel Pitt's D will stop the run and force GB into throwing. Throwing the football is what GB does well, but the teams that have come out on defense and put pressure on Rogers have forced him into bad decisions.
Pitt will come out and smack the receivers in the mouth like they did last week vs the Jets.
GB loves to run deep routes and slants and have a great screen package. Pitt runs the 3-4 defense, which is geared to take away such routes.
This game will be a hard hitting defensive battle, but I feel Pitt's running game and time of possession will be the difference.

[wayne1218]

Just once i would like to see a Pitt fan take G.B. or a Packer fan take Pitt.

It is hard to look past the avatar or location in most posts here and tell the difference between perception & reality.

[ChuckLazar]

Just once i would like to see a Pitt fan take G.B. or a Packer fan take Pitt.

It is hard to look past the avatar or location in most posts here and tell the difference between perception & reality.

Being a fan is what makes sports as large as it is today. Having your team in the Super Bowl is an exciting time. Not too many people in the world have had a chance not to get excited about their team or teams.
But placing a small wager on your team makes the big game a lot more exciting/ Placing a large wager on your team than you better have really great knowledge of both teams in order to have the best advantage.

To me this game has both teams with identical defenses as both defensive coordinators both coached with Bill Cowher and the Steelers. It still will come down to execution when the smoke clears. This will start out as a boring cat and mouse game until a turn over or big play changes field possession in the event a score. Should be a very close game.

[wayne1218]

I think these teams are a mirror image of each other. Both have a tough top 2 defense and a tough QB that can elude a pass rush and run, or throw it deep. I think if they played 10 times, each would win 5. The neutral field just makes it that much more of a coin flip imo.

[kbsooner21]

Polamalu defensive MVP of the year???

[atolunch]

Matthews runner up.

James Harrison was third.

This has to be one of the few times, if not the only time ever, the top 3 individual Defensive MVP's will play in the SB!

[ChuckLazar]

Another reason the Steeler's win

Aaron Rogers has choked against top defenses. Rogers stats on Artificial Turf also isn't as great as people think.

In 4 games on Artificial Turf, he completed 70 passes out of 111 for 861 yds and 5 td's. That's right, only 5 td's out of the 28 he threw during the year. He was sacked 8 times in those games.

In the 2 games that I feel have the best gauge for Rogers stats vs Top NFL Defenses that compare to the Steelers defense.

1) Vs the Jets, Rogers completed 15 out of 34 for 170 yds and 0 td's.

2) In the NFC Championship game vs Chicago he completed 17 out 30 for 244 yds and 0 Td's. with 2 interceptions. He did run for a TD. He had a 55 pass rating.

I'm anxious to see if he becomes the next Jim Kelly of the NFL.

[Hoopster007]

Guess he didn't want to go much over Ben's big 35 rating last week.
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It looks like you are trying to find a way to convince yourself of the steelers. But Ben isn't exactly a rating machine so not sure what your point is. There are good games and bad games. Sometimes the Qb doesn't need to put up a great game. And those games have no bearing on what happens in this game. Those games were in cold weather and in worse conditions.

In a dome, no wind, and on turf. I think you have to like to packers offense better than the steelers.

[atolunch]

There seems to be a lot of talk about the Dome, and the Packers O.

I haven't heard anything about the Dome and the Steelers O. Call me crazy, but which is the faster, more talented group: Driver, Jennings, Nelson, Jones or Ward, Wallace, Sanders, Brown. This doesn't take into account the RB or TE position, which the Steelers have first round picks at each position, vs guys that wouldn't be in the NFL right now if not for injuries to GB.

So I guess I'm still missing why you have to like the Packers O more than the Steelers. Unless that brings us back to Ben vs Aaron. In which case, I'll again take the proven, two time SB winner with a 10-2 postseason record, over a guy making his first appearance on the big stage.

BOL with whatever you decide to play!

[Hoopster007]

I have not decided who or if I am going to play the actual game yet. But coming from a steeler fan I am not sure why you would even bring Ben up in a debate. He was not good at all in the seattle superbowl and was ok in the arizona game. The defense is always a huge factor for this team and the reason it stays in games. It's not Ben. I would think you would know that if you are a steeler fan.

And saying that the steelers have a big advantage on offense even with the packers injuries is your opinion but I have no idea where this big advantage is. If both defenses do about the same thing I will take the packers offense everytime. Pack only needs a guy in a wheelchair to cover Ward and play witha a safety deep to protect the deep routes of Wallace. But this game will be more on stopping the run. If that happens, its curtains for them.

Good luck to you as well as I am sure we both are putting more value on each team but this perception that Ben has won two superbowls, he is great, is just silly. He has been very pedestrian in alot of these games. Take a look and stop listening to this media crap before you say things. Ben is a piece to the puzzle. He is not Kurt Warner, who basically made the team good by himself.

[ravenmaniac]

Aaron Rogers has choked against top defenses. Rogers stats on Artificial Turf also isn't as great as people think.

In 4 games on Artificial Turf, he completed 70 passes out of 111 for 861 yds and 5 td's. That's right, only 5 td's out of the 28 he threw during the year. He was sacked 8 times in those games.

In the 2 games that I feel have the best gauge for Rogers stats vs Top NFL Defenses that compare to the Steelers defense.

1) Vs the Jets, Rogers completed 15 out of 34 for 170 yds and 0 td's.

2) In the NFC Championship game vs Chicago he completed 17 out 30 for 244 yds and 0 Td's. with 2 interceptions. He did run for a TD. He had a 55 pass rating.

I'm anxious to see if he becomes the next Jim Kelly of the NFL.

Playing on artificial turf and playing indoors is 2 totally different things. In his career Aaron Rodgers has played 12 games indoors. In those games the Packers have averaged 32 points a game. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the SB being played indoors. While the Steelers have a great defense against the run don't try to make it look as though the Steelers have a top flight passing defense because they don't. They finished 12th against the pass, while not horrible, it also isn't elite. In fact I think Ike Taylor and McFadden are average to below average DBs at best. Don't forget Brady, Brees and even Palmer put up some good numbers against the Steelers defense and none of them were able to run like Rodgers. To steal a line from Bart Scott, those two couldn't stop a nose bleed let alone receivers like Driver and Jennings. Their best chance is for one of their head hunters like Ryan Clark or James Harrison to give Rodgers a concussion and have Matt Flynn finish the game

[atolunch]

I guess I'm confused. I didn't realize I said Pitt had a huge advantage. You were actually the one saying one would have to like the GB Offense more.

As far as letting the "media" make my decisions, you should really do your own thinking, rather than believe what is told to you.

Some interesting numbers:

49 of 72 680 yds, 7 td's 1 int
66 of 93 790 yds, 6 td's 2 int

Pretty drastic, huh.

The first line is the horrible, ugly stats of Ben's run to the Seattle SB.

The second line is Rogers stats leading up to this year, which have him the current darling of the NFL.

Stats can say whatever you want them to say. Winning means something to me.

I'll take 12 ugly wins over 1 pretty loss any day of the year. The Steelers aren't a "pretty" team, never have been. They just win, and that's good enough for me.

P.S. I guess its a shame that Warner never got a chance to play with any good WR's his entire career. Too bad he only had Tori Holt, Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin.

[jcindaville]

I keep hearing the Steelers pass D isn't that good and maybe that is an accurate statement.

Correct me if I'm wrong, when you can't run the ball at all aren't you more inclined to throw it more??

Maybe the fact that NO one has been able to run the ball against the Steeler D has forced them to throw it more and maybe that has skewed the Steelers passing rank????

I would have to think that the Packers passing rank on offense is higher because of their inability to run the ball. Or maybe their running rank is low because they are awesome at throwing it.

I am not saying that the Steeler pass D is great, just trying to open some eyes on just looking soley on a ranking to determine their mediocrity.

[harold_bush]

Aaron Rogers has choked against top defenses. Rogers stats on Artificial Turf also isn't as great as people think.

In 4 games on Artificial Turf, he completed 70 passes out of 111 for 861 yds and 5 td's. That's right, only 5 td's out of the 28 he threw during the year. He was sacked 8 times in those games.

In the 2 games that I feel have the best gauge for Rogers stats vs Top NFL Defenses that compare to the Steelers defense.

1) Vs the Jets, Rogers completed 15 out of 34 for 170 yds and 0 td's.

2) In the NFC Championship game vs Chicago he completed 17 out 30 for 244 yds and 0 Td's. with 2 interceptions. He did run for a TD. He had a 55 pass rating.

I'm anxious to see if he becomes the next Jim Kelly of the NFL.

Over the last three years Rodgers QB rating indoors is 111.5, the highest mark in the NFL.
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I'll see your "In the 2 games that I feel have the best gauge for Rogers stats vs Top NFL Defenses that compare to the Steelers defense" and raise you "In the 2 games that I feel have the best gauge for Pitt's D stats vs. top NFL QBs that I compare to Rodgers."

Brees was 34-44, 305 yards and 2 TDs.

Tom Brady 30-43, 350 yards, 4 TDs.
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Another counter point, you say Rodgers choked against Jets.....
15 out of 34 for 170 yds and 0 td's.
Here's Bens stats agaisnt the Jets in championship game.......
10 out of 19 for 133 yds and 0 td's and 2 interceptions

[atolunch]

The Dome factor

Tired of this as well.

The 12 games consist of:

3 vs Det, who combined 10 wins in those 3 seasons
3 vs MN, 2 of those wins while MN was in complete dissaray
2 vs ATL, both this year, 1-1
1 vs StL, they won 3 games that year
2 vs AZ, both shootouts, 1-1 last year
1 vs NO, GB got blown out vs quality opponent

This isn't exactly murders row of the NFL, now is it??