dick cheney haliburton and bp and 34 million and oil slick

[bwade210]

Bwade, how can you not know that W was in the oil business before he was president? Do you not read?

I do know that fact, but I do not think he did anything as president in HIS own interest or the interest of his bank account in dealings with oil companies.
I know this opinion is not shared by many, but I honestly think George W Bush acted everyday in office with the greater good of this country and its citizens in mind. Of course this can be debated tooth and nail by many but it's what I believe firmly. Many people want to point to the war in Iraq and say that it is uncalled for. I say that Saddam had more than enough opportunites afforded to him by the Bush administration and NATO to be open about his operations and to prove otherwise that he was not hiding anything. All this at a time in the civilized worlds existance when we were all on edge about where the next attack would come from. CIA intelligence told the Bush Administration repeatadly that Saddam was hiding something. GW Bush acted in the name of safety of the citizens of the United States, Israel, and rest of the civilized world. Had GW Bush not acted and Saddam been hiding these weapons, the result would have been catastrophic and I agree with GW that it was not a risk worth taking. Iraq and the war that goes on there today has not added one dollar to George W Bushs bank account. If it did dont you know we all would know about it because his income is open to all US tax payers. He did what he thought was right IMHO.

[bwade210]

One thing that amazes me when talking to people that are against George W Bush and the war in Iraq is they have no idea how many casualties the war has caused. When you ask them "ok.... so the war in Iraq is important to you. Just how many United States soilders have paid the ultimate sacrifice and given their life in Iraq?" Ive never met one person that knows. Now you all reading this will certainly "Google" it and thats fine, but you know deep down you did not know and thats as disrespectable as anything you feel George W Bush ever did.

[bwade210]

People don't have a problem with people making money, this isn't class warfare. People are tired of being on the oil tit, we should have been off of it in the 70's. Oil is a resource that we are running out of, and we have already reached the tipping point, so the sooner we find another source of energy, the better.

None of what you just said is George W Bush's, Dick Cheney's, or Haliburton's fault. You feel we should be off the "oil tilt", but what have YOU done to progress the movement towards an alternate energy source. Nothing Im sure, just sitting in the bleachers pissing and moaning about the way things should be.

[vitterd]

I do know that fact, but I do not think he did anything as president in HIS own interest or the interest of his bank account in dealings with oil companies.
I know this opinion is not shared by many, but I honestly think George W Bush acted everyday in office with the greater good of this country and its citizens in mind. Of course this can be debated tooth and nail by many but it's what I believe firmly. Many people want to point to the war in Iraq and say that it is uncalled for. I say that Saddam had more than enough opportunites afforded to him by the Bush administration and NATO to be open about his operations and to prove otherwise that he was not hiding anything. All this at a time in the civilized worlds existance when we were all on edge about where the next attack would come from. CIA intelligence told the Bush Administration repeatadly that Saddam was hiding something. GW Bush acted in the name of safety of the citizens of the United States, Israel, and rest of the civilized world. Had GW Bush not acted and Saddam been hiding these weapons, the result would have been catastrophic and I agree with GW that it was not a risk worth taking. Iraq and the war that goes on there today has not added one dollar to George W Bushs bank account. If it did dont you know we all would know about it because his income is open to all US tax payers. He did what he thought was right IMHO.

Ok. So if gw bush does what he thinks is right that makes him a patriot and great leader? All we heard about was he didn't care about poll numbers because he believed it was best for the country. That's all u heard from rep talking heads

However obama passes an unpopular health care bill and he is a natzi dictator who won't listen to the american people. Rep keep saying" look at the polls.. Americans don't want it". Where were these guys when americans spoke loud and clear about no war? The double standard is truly amazing

[bwade210]

Double standard?! If you want to talk about "double standards", why dont we discuss into great detail the very "double standard" postion this country is in racially which ironically enough catapulted Barack Obama into office.

[bwade210]

The main difference between what GW Bush did was and and Obama is attempting to do is that Bush's policy concerned itself with the saftey and well being of all of our lives! Obamas policy which by the way will be more expensive than the war in Iraq, deals with rewarding people who are too damn lazy to get off their own ass and get a job that offers health insurance. Why should you (if you in fact work therefore pay taxes) and I be responsible for someones elses health insurance. No one looks out for me and my family but ME and we are all covered by MY health insurance. I achieved to be something in life accepting nothing but success. Ive worked hard like most all Americans to live the "American Dream" and not expect anything to be given to me. Look at it this way, if you tax those who work and give to those who do not, do not be surprised when you have more and more people NOT WORKING.

[vitterd]

Please don't compare the cost of health care to a war based on a lie that cost thousands of american lives. Its a slap in the face to the parents and relatives of soldiers who sacrificed their life in this war.

Also, let's talk about race. What double standard are you speaking of. I would really love to hear this. As comedian chris rock put it at his comedy show" no white guy in here wants to change lives with me and I'm a rich mother fucker"

Also what you guys never seem to understand about health is this YOU ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR THE UNINSURED. When the insurance companies raise premiums they always tell us it is because of the uninsured. When someone goes to the emergency room they must be treated. Who do u think pays for that when they can't?? WE DO.

I work everyday and have good health insurance. Why is it so bad to insure the uninsured? There are prob with the bill but your argument is not one of them

[BigWeiner]

One thing that amazes me when talking to people that are against George W Bush and the war in Iraq is they have no idea how many casualties the war has caused. When you ask them "ok.... so the war in Iraq is important to you. Just how many United States soilders have paid the ultimate sacrifice and given their life in Iraq?" Ive never met one person that knows. Now you all reading this will certainly "Google" it and thats fine, but you know deep down you did not know and thats as disrespectable as anything you feel George W Bush ever did.

Do you know how many Iraq civilian casualties there has been?

[grandmama]

I do know that fact, but I do not think he did anything as president in HIS own interest or the interest of his bank account in dealings with oil companies.
I know this opinion is not shared by many, but I honestly think George W Bush acted everyday in office with the greater good of this country and its citizens in mind. Of course this can be debated tooth and nail by many but it's what I believe firmly. Many people want to point to the war in Iraq and say that it is uncalled for. I say that Saddam had more than enough opportunites afforded to him by the Bush administration and NATO to be open about his operations and to prove otherwise that he was not hiding anything. All this at a time in the civilized worlds existance when we were all on edge about where the next attack would come from. CIA intelligence told the Bush Administration repeatadly that Saddam was hiding something. GW Bush acted in the name of safety of the citizens of the United States, Israel, and rest of the civilized world. Had GW Bush not acted and Saddam been hiding these weapons, the result would have been catastrophic and I agree with GW that it was not a risk worth taking. Iraq and the war that goes on there today has not added one dollar to George W Bushs bank account. If it did dont you know we all would know about it because his income is open to all US tax payers. He did what he thought was right IMHO.

Wade, Iraq was about nothing but oil, don't doubt that notion. And if Bush and Co. would have been honest and said, we're going to Iraq because we need oil because we're running out, and we (USA) use 25% of the worlds oil. IF they would have made it somewhat clear that the reason we were going in was to get oil because the cost of sitting around and waiting would be more costly down the road (costly in terms of human lives). I really would have been down with going in, but they lied to everyone. If he had an ounce of diplomacy in him, he would have been able to get some Western Euro countries to join in because they know that oil is a resource that they cannot live without at the moment because most of their infrastructure is directly or indirectly linked to oil. He just screwed everything up because he was an idiot. I had much respect for his father because he was a smart guy, and he wasn't an ideologue, but Bush surronded himself with people that thought just like he did, a sign of insecurity IMO, and we the people paid the consequences.

[grandmama]

. Ive worked hard like most all Americans to live the "American Dream" and not expect anything to be given to me. Look at it this way, if you tax those who work and give to those who do not, do not be surprised when you have more and more people NOT WORKING.

The notion of there being an American Dream died in the 70's when workers wages began to decline as big corps profits began to soar. Big corps made huge profits, and they paid their workers less for being more productive. IMO, Capitialism will never be saved unless there's a huge shift in the model, I think getting rid of board of directors is a good start.

[bwade210]

The notion of there being an American Dream died in the 70's when workers wages began to decline as big corps profits began to soar. Big corps made huge profits, and they paid their workers less for being more productive. IMO, Capitialism will never be saved unless there's a huge shift in the model, I think getting rid of board of directors is a good start.

Sorry you feel that way and about this country. Its obvious you have never been outside the United States with such a shallow mind set. Hard work = success in life. No one is going to give you anything.

[bwade210]

[QUOTE=vitterd;1803157]Please don't compare the cost of health care to a war based on a lie that cost thousands of american lives. Its a slap in the face to the parents and relatives of soldiers who sacrificed their life in this war.

Please dont tell me how to speak to you first off. Comparing costs of the two topics is not a slap in the face of anyone. That statement makes no sense at all. Im curious as to how much money you donate to various veteran funds. Im curious as to how much time you donate working at local VA organizations. I do both, and you should really watch the way you speak to someone when you have little knowledge of them. You dont know me, and you dont know what I do in my free time.

[bwade210]

Wade, Iraq was about nothing but oil, don't doubt that notion. And if Bush and Co. would have been honest and said, we're going to Iraq because we need oil because we're running out, and we (USA) use 25% of the worlds oil. IF they would have made it somewhat clear that the reason we were going in was to get oil because the cost of sitting around and waiting would be more costly down the road (costly in terms of human lives). I really would have been down with going in, but they lied to everyone. If he had an ounce of diplomacy in him, he would have been able to get some Western Euro countries to join in because they know that oil is a resource that they cannot live without at the moment because most of their infrastructure is directly or indirectly linked to oil. He just screwed everything up because he was an idiot. I had much respect for his father because he was a smart guy, and he wasn't an ideologue, but Bush surronded himself with people that thought just like he did, a sign of insecurity IMO, and we the people paid the consequences.

Right! Because we as a country have more oil now than we did before the war started. Oh I know, Bush is hiding it all on his ranch, he had it all transported from the middle east and he is going to save it until oil runs low world wide. Oh wait I know what it is your trying to say, because Bush was an "oil president", we now have more oil, more energy security, and now oil prices are going to fall since the Iraq war started.

[bwade210]

Do you know how many Iraq civilian casualties there has been?

The vast majority of Iraqi deaths have been caused Al Queda extemists inide Iraq, not United States servicemen and women. How many Iraqi deaths, I dont know the number exactly. How many Shiite murders were carried out when Sadam was in power? Are Iraqis safer now than they were when Sadam was in power? Yes, and they are free now. Free to go to school, free to work, pray, etc..

[grandmama]

Right! Because we as a country have more oil now than we did before the war started. Oh I know, Bush is hiding it all on his ranch, he had it all transported from the middle east and he is going to save it until oil runs low world wide. Oh wait I know what it is your trying to say, because Bush was an "oil president", we now have more oil, more energy security, and now oil prices are going to fall since the Iraq war started.

we actually don't have more oil. The one reason we went war: oil, he was able to fuck that up too.