What would the headlines read..

[vitterd]

Husker once again gets offended when a post about his talking points hits too close to home. If u don't see the rep are known for completely drilling home talking points and buzz words to brainwash their sheep u are really lost. Of course both sides try to push their message but its obvious u either can't or don't want to see the difference.

[husker]

LMAO! this must be a msnbc talking point, or maybe the daily DNC talking points you get every day at work.

purchase mortgage applications DOWN 27% last week, delinquent residential loans UP to 10.6%, foreclosures UP to 4.6%, and commercial prices down 0.5% in march.

vitterd just completely ignores FACTS posted here. that's right, rep's are the only ones that do that.

[Jamaicanman]

Husker once again gets offended when a post about his talking points hits too close to home. If u don't see the rep are known for completely drilling home talking points and buzz words to brainwash their sheep u are really lost. Of course both sides try to push their message but its obvious u either can't or don't want to see the difference.

You obviously don't watch Sunday morning shows or MSNBC. Your opinion is that pubs need the talking points to think, so what exactly is the reason for the dem talking points? It would seem to me that they are SO open-minded and enlightened, that according to your point, there would be no need for talking points as these people are too smart for that trick right?

[vitterd]

vitterd just completely ignores FACTS posted here. that's right, rep's are the only ones that do that.

Seems to me u did the same thing in another thread where I posted positive numbers coming in. Why is it always ok for you to igonore the facts on the good numbers but not okay for anyone else to ignore your negative numbers? Is your last name reckers?

[ToDaClub]

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vitterd just completely ignores FACTS posted here. that's right, rep's are the only ones that do that.

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[Spark]

Please vit I emplore you to let these tea party guys keep puttting up their anti-obama propaganda and not even respond to it. Obama could personally come to there town give them all million dollar jobs, get the unemplyment rate down to 1 percent, end crime,cut their tax rate to 0,pay for all of their kids college and they would still hate him.

Any man that titles this guy barack hussein obama has issues. They never used bush's middle name. I could understand not agreeing with his politics but its much deeper than that.

You know it and I know so just let it go, let them have their little circle jerk and get their rocks and hate him, its their right and youre not going to change any of their minds.

I guess he did not listen very well ....

[vitterd]

Hey todaclub, can u please repost where is said its only republicans? Why do u guys only read what u want? Just read previous posts. I said it happens on dem side also. Just more times on rep side. Especially on the gay and family values republicans. They are always bashing gays and passing judgement on the way people live their lives and then they go bang young boys and women in foreign countries

Spark I tried to listen but it didn't work. I did take the weekend off but decided to come back and stay on it

[Spark]

Hey todaclub, can u please repost where is said its only republicans? Why do u guys only read what u want? Just read previous posts. I said it happens on dem side also. Just more times on rep side. Especially on the gay and family values republicans. They are always bashing gays and passing judgement on the way people live their lives and then they go bang young boys and women in foreign countries

Spark I tried to listen but it didn't work. I did take the weekend off but decided to come back and stay on it

I was only joking ...

[grandmama]

come on GM, BOTH party machines do the same thing. only saying the rep's do it puts you down at vitterd's level.

I'm saying I think the pubs do a better job at it. They know who their base is, and the exploit it. It's a fact that a big majority of pubs prefer faith over reason- see the religous right, etc; I'm not puting those people down for having a lot of faith, but those people are easier to rile up.Their game plan hasn't always been this way, but I think it has since the 'moral majority' became such a huge focre within the party, and the federalist society has been exploiting them for 3 decades now. So, the GOP knows who their base is, and they know how to gin them up and they use tatics that get them emotional over issues, thus the hitler quotes were relevant. Look, I'm not hating on people here I'm just stating things that are the right does to rally their base- I think it's evil, but there is no doubt that it is effective, and I have to tip my cap to them for that.

[Jamaicanman]

I'm saying I think the pubs do a better job at it. They know who their base is, and the exploit it. It's a fact that a big majority of pubs prefer faith over reason- see the religous right, etc; I'm not puting those people down for having a lot of faith, but those people are easier to rile up.Their game plan hasn't always been this way, but I think it has since the 'moral majority' became such a huge focre within the party, and the federalist society has been exploiting them for 3 decades now. So, the GOP knows who their base is, and they know how to gin them up and they use tatics that get them emotional over issues, thus the hitler quotes were relevant. Look, I'm not hating on people here I'm just stating things that are the right does to rally their base- I think it's evil, but there is no doubt that it is effective, and I have to tip my cap to them for that.

So what, in your opinion, does the left do to "rile up?" And it's interesting that you write "get them emotional" when talking about pubs, when I would respectfully state I think that is exactly what the Dems do when scapegoating and demonizing. (ie..oil,wall street,military recruiters, etc) They always need a "bad guy" to get their base riled up.

[husker]

I'm saying I think the pubs do a better job at it. They know who their base is, and the exploit it. It's a fact that a big majority of pubs prefer faith over reason- see the religous right, etc; I'm not puting those people down for having a lot of faith, but those people are easier to rile up.Their game plan hasn't always been this way, but I think it has since the 'moral majority' became such a huge focre within the party, and the federalist society has been exploiting them for 3 decades now. So, the GOP knows who their base is, and they know how to gin them up and they use tatics that get them emotional over issues, thus the hitler quotes were relevant. Look, I'm not hating on people here I'm just stating things that are the right does to rally their base- I think it's evil, but there is no doubt that it is effective, and I have to tip my cap to them for that.

what about the dem's and the radical environmentalists/animal rights groups? how are they that much different than the religious right? the dem's probably have more. what about unions, they get them all worked up also. 100's showed up at a bank of america attorneys house, illegally trespassing on his property. tell me they are "reasonable". "faith over reason" just depends on YOUR views. weren't there black panthers standing outside a polling place in philly in army cloths? could you imagine if a white extremist group did that?

[husker]

They always need a "bad guy" to get their base riled up.

they both do that. that's my point, BOTH sides are just as guilty.

[Jamaicanman]

they both do that. that's my point, BOTH sides are just as guilty.

Agreed 100%. I only pointed out Dem villians though referencing Gma's post.

[grandmama]

what about the dem's and the radical environmentalists/animal rights groups? how are they that much different than the religious right? the dem's probably have more. what about unions, they get them all worked up also. 100's showed up at a bank of america attorneys house, illegally trespassing on his property. tell me they are "reasonable". "faith over reason" just depends on YOUR views. weren't there black panthers standing outside a polling place in philly in army cloths? could you imagine if a white extremist group did that?

there is no doubt that the dems do things to gin up their base, my point is that the right does it in a manner that is simple yet effective. The left does it in a way that is more appealing to intellectuals, the right does it in a way that gets people fired up emotionally. I think both parties are shitty, but I believe that in general; and there are numbers and polls to back up the following notion, that the left is more educated, thus, they dems use another model that is more complex because it has to reach people in their party that are not going to be fooled by low brow propaganda.

[grandmama]

The following chart is derived from the 2004 Census Report On Educational Attainment. The full report, from which I stripped this data, is here:http://www.census.gov/population/soc...2004/tab13.pdf

I added to that report the way the state voted in the Presidential election of 2004, and I then calculated the number of people per state with the level of education specified. (This information came from the 2004 Census - I divided the over-25 population in each state by the percentage of graduates to come up with the numbers.)

I then tallied the numbers of people with the specified level of education and divided by the total red or blue population to derive an overall percentage of people with either a college or high school education across the country, broken down by party.

The result, as you will see below, is very telling. In states that voted for Kerry, the average percentage of college graduates is 30.177%.

In states that voted for Bush, the average percentage of college graduates is 24.932%.

The disparity between Republican states and Democratic ones is smaller when one analyzes the High School results. Red states had an average of 83.145% High School graduates, compared to the blue states’ 85.903% average graduate rate.

It is interesting also to note that red states occupy the bottom 10 places in the state ranking, and only 2 of the top 10. (Colorado, of course, bucked the national trend by voting for Democratic control of both its House and Senate, while still inexplicably voting for Bush - and Colorado has by far the largest percentage of graduates, at 45.7%, some 9% ahead of Hawaii at #2.)

Seriously for a moment, do you think that this does, to some extent, explain why education suffers major cuts under Republican administrations? Are the Republicans afraid of a more educated populace?


RED STATES:

Total Number Over 25 – 97,180,000

Total Number H/S Grads – 80,801,000
Total Percentage H/S Grads – 83.145%

Total Number College Grads – 24,229,000
Total Percentage College Grads – 24.932%


BLUE STATES

Total Number Over 25 – 91,201,000

Total Number H/S Grads – 78,345,000
Total Percentage H/S Grads – 85.903%

Total Number College Grads – 27,522,000
Total Percentage College Grads – 30.177%