The Racism Excuse

[mavskidd02]

what does it matter anyway what color he is? Yes, since he is half balck, then he is the 1st american president that is black. There has never been another pres that was half black. he is also the 1st mixed race pres...IT DOESN'T matter....You've brought this up in multiple threads, what is the point of all this?

Obama's half black and half white. He is the first mixed race President. He is also the first black President. I don't see where the confusion is.

If his occupation was head of the NAACP, you might consider him the first white President of that office.

[flarendep1]

I'm disappointed that the 2 African-American posters (I assume from reading their posts) either insult or call me racist (my boys down South) because I ask a legitimate question on race. If your replies are indicative of other "black" responses, I can see why race relations are where they are. Sad.

Your questions are legit, particularly when minority status gets perks from the government.

[Jamaicanman]

Obama's half black and half white. He is the first mixed race President. He is also the first black President. I don't see where the confusion is.

If his occupation was head of the NAACP, you might consider him the first white President of that office.

So if he led an organization for the advancement of black people, he would be considered white? I have never heard him called "mixed"; and I watch more then Fox (before that is thrown out in a response).

My question all along has been who is the person who defines him as black, white, or mixed? Who decides? President Obama? The media? The people talking about him? Who decides? Unlike two posters opinions, I think it is a legitimate question to ask when talking about race.

[husker]

If his occupation was head of the NAACP, you might consider him the first white President of that office.

that's a great point. i bet there have been people heading many of these groups that have some white blood. but no mention of them being white.

[mavskidd02]

So if he led an organization for the advancement of black people, he would be considered white? I have never heard him called "mixed"; and I watch more then Fox (before that is thrown out in a response).

My question all along has been who is the person who defines him as black, white, or mixed? Who decides? President Obama? The media? The people talking about him? Who decides? Unlike two posters opinions, I think it is a legitimate question to ask when talking about race.

I'm 6'3. I consider myself tall. If I played for the Denver Nuggets. I would be short.

Who decided that?

It's all relative man. He's considered black because all Presidents before him have been white.

See the point?

[Jamaicanman]

I'm 6'3. I consider myself tall. If I played for the Denver Nuggets. I would be short.

Who decided that?

It's all relative man. He's considered black because all Presidents before him have been white.

See the point?

Yes, I see the point you are making. But where I disagree with the comparison is the job of playing for the Denver Nuggets would be decided by someone "assigning" the definition of 6'3. You might be a tall point guard, a short sguard, and a dwarf (is that pc?) at center on one team yet a monster on a high school team. So there is a subjectivity to it, as your point makes.

But I would think race is a bit more definitive, especially as Flarendep1 stated that one's race can determine your eligibility for certain things. You being 6'3 doesn't qualify you for anything. It can dq playing center for the Denver Nuggets, unless there was a program in place that would force the Nuggets to hire you based on being 6'3.
Do you see my point?

[mavskidd02]

You want to know how black you have to be, to be "black". I can't tell you and I'm sorry I got involved.

[jordanrules23]

I'm disappointed that the 2 African-American posters (I assume from reading their posts) either insult or call me racist (my boys down South) because I ask a legitimate question on race. If your replies are indicative of other "black" responses, I can see why race relations are where they are. Sad.

dont let GMA and the other get you riled up......they are....................

[Jamaicanman]

dont let GMA and the other get you riled up......they are....................

It's not about getting riled up, as I am not riled. But nore am I in 7th grade or with my boys down South. I was mistaken to think that a conversation could be had on race w/o the name calling, but I was wrong. I see a trend with Muscleman's posts that allude to calling someone racist w/o having the balls to come out and say it. But discussing race, what "qualifies" as being black, perks for minorities not available to others, etc are legit topics in my book. Disagreements are fine, name calling is pathetic. Just sad.

[musclemann]

dont let GMA and the other get you riled up......they are....................

taggged.

[musclemann]

he's not the only one that does this, i am sure MM has said the same thing, and probably others. lets be fair.

Monte and kaz exposed you for your exploits with previous members and that you enjoy starting crap with certain members. It was said you didnt post for a whole year until this forum was re-open and then you come in saying stuff about me. You dont know anything about me but I sure figured what type of thought process you have.

One of the members called you a TROLL, not me but before you pass judgement on me maybe you should go check in the mirror and see if your posts are relevant and thought -provoking.

Hope you had a great thanksgiving.

[musclemann]

It's not about getting riled up, as I am not riled. But nore am I in 7th grade or with my boys down South. I was mistaken to think that a conversation could be had on race w/o the name calling, but I was wrong. I see a trend with Muscleman's posts that allude to calling someone racist w/o having the balls to come out and say it. But discussing race, what "qualifies" as being black, perks for minorities not available to others, etc are legit topics in my book. Disagreements are fine, name calling is pathetic. Just sad.

I never thought of calling anyone prejudiced nor would I call someone without knowing such a thing. You have over 15 posts referring to the presidents race.

IF YOU USE A LITTLE INTELLECTUAL CURIOSITY google what percent of african american blood it takes to considered black and you will come up with your answer.

This seems to be a big concern of yours so I was just trying to lead you in the proper direction. If had something to say to you I would just come out and say it. It doesnt take balls to approach someone who trying to figure out why barack obama is considered black.

If you are insulted that I said your boys down south I apologize,they were the original part of the country that did the percentages number when dealing blacks, mulattoes, and creoles.....I apologize sincerly for lumping you into this group.

[musclemann]

Because I am curious as to what makes a person "African-American. You say the answer is at least 1/2 ratio, or 1 parent. So why not 1/4, or a grandparent? Does that make a person Africa-American? 1/8?

And I ask because it has been widely and constantly reported that he is the "first", so it is a legitimate question to ask what makes him he "first". I have never heard a report that President Obama is the first "mixed" President. Have you?

To be considered black in the United States not even half of one's ancestry must be African black. But will one-fourth do, or one-eighth, or less? The nation's answer to the question 'Who is black?" has long been that a black is any person with any known African black ancestry. This definition reflects the long experience with slavery and later with Jim Crow segregation. In the South it became known as the "one-drop rule,'' meaning that a single drop of "black blood" makes a person a black. It is also known as the "one black ancestor rule," some courts have called it the "traceable amount rule," and anthropologists call it the "hypo-descent rule," meaning that racially mixed persons are assigned the status of the subordinate group. This definition emerged from the American South to become the nation's definition, generally accepted by whites and blacks. Blacks had no other choice. As we shall see, this American cultural definition of blacks is taken for granted as readily by judges, affirmative action officers, and black protesters as it is by Ku Klux Klansmen


There you go jamaican man and I didnt need balls to show you this....This was the law of the united states government.

[husker]

something interesting.

Steve Sailer: "Census Follies" - VDare.com, 3/29/00 -- Hispanic, Latino, black, white race, ethnicity, definition, government, Clinton, multiracial



The Administration will indeed let people who are part white and part minority check two (or more) boxes. But then the government will simply ignore the white box. For use in civil rights enforcement and monitoring (i.e. in calculating quotas), the new OMB bulletin says, "Responses that combine one minority race and white are [to be] allocated to the minority race."

In effect, the Clinton Administration is telling mixed-race people: "Are you both white and another race? Did you feel traumatized by having to choose between your parents? Well, we feel your pain. You just check as many boxes as will make you feel better."

But when it comes to counting their responses, rather than, say, allocating half of one person to each race, or asking multiracials to estimate their fraction stemming from each race, the government will just tabulate them as 100% minority, same as always since the days of Jim Crow.

As Sheriff Bull Connor might have said, "Screw 'em. One drop makes 'em colored."

In fact, this counting procedure will increase the number of minorities, thus increasing quota sizes. People who are so slightly black that they identified themselves before as white, will now be counted as only being black.

For example, say Clinton-hating Republic Congressman Bob Barr Congressman Bob Barrdecides that all the rumors about his ancestry must be true. So he checks the Black box as well as the White one. Then President Clinton, as usual, would have the last laugh: Barr would be counted as 100% black.

As part of her Senate campaign, Hillary Clinton recently announced she was 1/128th black. (I have not heard her comment on whether this qualifies her for affirmative action. By the way, this followed her earlier claim, based on a rather novel Talmudic interpretation, that because her grandmother's stepfather was Jewish, therefore she was Jewish. I look forward to the First Lady revealing in a speech to the Andaman Islander Democratic Club of Queens that she is a pygmy negrito.) A recent genetic study of whites in three U.S. cities found the average proportion of black ancestry ranged between 0.5% and 1.1%. This suggests that something like a fifth of the U.S. white population has at least one black ancestor.

[Jamaicanman]

I never thought of calling anyone prejudiced nor would I call someone without knowing such a thing. You have over 15 posts referring to the presidents race.

IF YOU USE A LITTLE INTELLECTUAL CURIOSITY google what percent of african american blood it takes to considered black and you will come up with your answer.

This seems to be a big concern of yours so I was just trying to lead you in the proper direction. If had something to say to you I would just come out and say it. It doesnt take balls to approach someone who trying to figure out why barack obama is considered black.

If you are insulted that I said your boys down south I apologize,they were the original part of the country that did the percentages number when dealing blacks, mulattoes, and creoles.....I apologize sincerly for lumping you into this group.

I accept your apolgy. I don't like being accused of something I am not, nor lumped in with vile. If you recall, I was the FIRST and ONLY person to post that I thought Jordanrules was way out of line with his post about you and "waking up black".
The reason the posts have to do with President Obama is b/c he is, right now, the most famous and powerful African-American, mixed, whatever, person in the world. So he is being used as an example as the offspring of a bi-racial couple and trying to open the doors of communication. Does it tie into affirmatice action? Yes. Does it tie into other areas? Yes. But I never put a judgment on any of it.