Rumor has it UK has found their new coach

[mavskidd02]

And people have answered this already too.

Let me get this right Wayne. Tell me where I'm misinterpreting........

Because Calipari brought Memphis back to a high ranked program, he can (essentially) do whatever he pleases. And because he made them money, he has the right to take the kids Memphis spent money on and walk over to UK with them??


Memphis paid Calipari to do his job, he did it, but how the f**k does that entitle him to take recruits that are Memphis'?? Calipari made Memphis money, and by your logic he can do what he wants with that money, including SPENDING IT ON ANOTHER SCHOOL!!!! Come on now, you can't think its fair that Memphis spends money to get kids, and UK ends up with them basically without spending a dime.

See my question above^^^. That wayne has not been answered, you quoted that and danced around the question by saying "you expected him to stay there for 40 years?" You answered a question with a question and no one, you included has gave a reasonable answer to this:

How does Calipari have the right to take the kids Memphis spent money on and walk over to UK with them??

I told you Wayne, doing this with recruits is fucked up IMO. You have your opinion I have mine. But how is it fair for Calipari to spend Memphis' money and then take the recruits to UK, is he gonna' pay back Memphis for spent money? No. You can also stop asking me if I'm serious, because YES, I am. He took one universities' money to get kids, and is gonna' bring them to another university. Please, justify that load of bull shit for me.

[BillMill71]

You think Memphis didn't spend money to get these kids. They don't pay them directly, but they pay a lot of money to have these kids commit.

But the point is for the 5 years since Memphis unofficial and offical recruiters have been after these kids before they had hair on their Nuts, Calipari was the coach, kids wanted to play for him, not to attend Memphis A&T. So they were actually lucky to spend the couple of thousand of their 100 + million basketball money to recruit them.

[wayne1218]

How does Calipari have the right to take the kids Memphis spent money on and walk over to UK with them??

It is also a kids choice at any time to transfer. Maybe that is easier to understand. Calipari doesn't sign their paperwork to change schools, they do, and it is their right. Kids transfer every year and again, it is part of the "Business" of CBB. How you exclude the kids and THEIR CHOICE, that's what really baffles me. You're angry, i get it, but you are blaming the wrong person.

[Tnbreakers]

99.9% of the time kids make their choice on the coach and the staff, not the school! Other schools paid to recruit these kids too, but they were going to Memphis because of Cal. Not surprising at all to see these guys follow the coach! It's the way of the business. What's F'up is the coaches can take another job without sitting out a year and the players cannot! Doesn't have to be fair but it is what it is!

[BillMill71]

See my question above^^^. That wayne has not been answered, you quoted that and danced around the question by saying "you expected him to stay there for 40 years?" You answered a question with a question and no one, you included has gave a reasonable answer to this:

How does Calipari have the right to take the kids Memphis spent money on and walk over to UK with them??

I told you Wayne, doing this with recruits is fucked up IMO. You have your opinion I have mine. But how is it fair for Calipari to spend Memphis' money and then take the recruits to UK, is he gonna' pay back Memphis for spent money? No. You can also stop asking me if I'm serious, because YES, I am. He took one universities' money to get kids, and is gonna' bring them to another university. Please, justify that load of bull shit for me.

Mavs, what about the 40 other schools that recruited these kids? So when Memphis got their verbal commitments did they compensate the schools that lost out? What about the 500 other HS basketball players that Memphis recruited that they didn't get? When you spend money on a kid and don't get them does the other school that got them reimburse the school that did?

This is as crazy an argument as yours.

They have the RIGHT per the NCAA guidelines. They may and they may not. I, like you, assume they will. They signed because they thought he would be there. He is not. Their choice.

[BillMill71]

Wonder if JC is going to be upset when Pitino goes to Arizona

[Tnbreakers]

I haven't read the entire thread. Is this offical that Coach C is moving to KY for sure? Dream match made in heaven if this is correct!!!!

[mavskidd02]

It is also a kids choice at any time to transfer. Maybe that is easier to understand. Calipari doesn't sign their paperwork to change schools, they do, and it is their right. Kids transfer every year and again, it is part of the "Business" of CBB. How you exclude the kids and THEIR CHOICE, that's what really baffles me. You're angry, i get it, but you are blaming the wrong person.

Yes, the kids have the right to move from one college to another. I will agree with that. I'm not excluding that, the fact is that Calipari plans to take these kids. This is not a situation where " the kids will come if they feel like it." Don't you think its weird that there is ALREADY talk of these kids moving to UK if Calipari signs. Before he even signs the kids are planning on going over there. Calipari is not telling these kids "come if you want", he is telling them...... "Come with me."
The kids are going with Cali to UK, and yes it is partly their choice, but Calipari isn't exactly leaving this all up to them.

My point is, Calipari plans to take these kids right out from under Memphis. Their choice? yes. Calipari still a bad dude, and still persuading them to switch? Yes.

[Tnbreakers]

Mav,

These kids are not stupid. They will follow where they think the best situation is for "THEM" , they don't care about Memphis! It is the nature of the business. I used to coach college basketball and recruiting can get very ugly! Coach Dean Smith said when he retired, he got tired of getting in the gutter every recruiting season. Trust me on this one, It Is A Business! It is not about right or wrong!

[mavskidd02]

Mavs, what about the 40 other schools that recruited these kids? So when Memphis got their verbal commitments did they compensate the schools that lost out? What about the 500 other HS basketball players that Memphis recruited that they didn't get? When you spend money on a kid and don't get them does the other school that got them reimburse the school that did?

This is as crazy an argument as yours.

They have the RIGHT per the NCAA guidelines. They may and they may not. I, like you, assume they will. They signed because they thought he would be there. He is not. Their choice.

Bill, I understand exactly what you are saying. My point is that Calipari knows exactly what he is doing. And there is a difference between your point and mine. Memphis did things right and got these kids fair and square. UK is now getting these kids without spending a dime, and simply getting them because Calipari is coming. How is that fair to Memphis?

Say for some reason Pitino now comes to Memphis, does Memphis get all his recruits? And now L'Ville gets Capel (sp.) do they get his recruits? Pretty sure this shit doesn't really continue in a never ending circle. I'm seeing it this way, you can call me wrong or an idiot or what have you:

Memphis paid and worked to get kids (TOP NOTCH nation's best kids) and now, UK is getting them absolutely free of charge, simply because. While, Memphis is hung out to dry.

[wayne1218]

Don't you think its weird that there is ALREADY talk of these kids moving to UK if Calipari signs.

Absolutely not because as stated several times in this thread, the kids are playing for the coach, not the school. You seem like you do not want to accept that reality. Most probably assumed the kids would follow the minute they heard the story. It isn't surprising at all.

[wayne1218]

Mavs, what about the 40 other schools that recruited these kids? So when Memphis got their verbal commitments did they compensate the schools that lost out? What about the 500 other HS basketball players that Memphis recruited that they didn't get? When you spend money on a kid and don't get them does the other school that got them reimburse the school that did?

This is as crazy an argument as yours.

They have the RIGHT per the NCAA guidelines. They may and they may not. I, like you, assume they will. They signed because they thought he would be there. He is not. Their choice.

Very well said Bill!

[insidethe8thpol]

99.9% of the time kids make their choice on the coach and the staff, not the school! Other schools paid to recruit these kids too, but they were going to Memphis because of Cal. Not surprising at all to see these guys follow the coach! It's the way of the business. What's F'up is the coaches can take another job without sitting out a year and the players cannot! Doesn't have to be fair but it is what it is!

I think you hit on something here Tn

If coaches want to leave before their contract is up with the college, then they should have to sit out a year.

I smell a Bettorschat petition to the NCAA

[Tnbreakers]

We will put Chado in charge and get the ball rolling!

[insidethe8thpol]

Maybe the NCAA should put a stop to the BS of a coach going to another school and taking kids that already have signed letters of intent with them by penalizing the school. Take away scholarships for the amount of kids he recruited at the other school for 4 years.