Red Sox take the lead in the Santana sweepstakes!!!

[wayne1218]

I know he hit .350 in the playoffs, but if you look at his minor league numbers they don't translate, so I see him as .300 with some speed and no power. I just don't see how he's untouchable when talking about Johan.

Since when do Minor League numbers ever mean anything in the majors?

[The Lovedoc]

I know he hit .350 in the playoffs, but if you look at his minor league numbers they don't translate, so I see him as .300 with some speed and no power. I just don't see how he's untouchable when talking about Johan.

Its because most people overvalue prospects.... Like for myself, i believe that hughes is gonna be an ace, but a shitload of other people say NO WAY...it's homerism. We all fall under it at some point

[wayne1218]

Wayne, so your against the trade for Johan??? if they have to include the 2nd baseman?

I would NOT trade for Johan if Dustin or Jacoby are included. No Way!

[MtrCtyPimp]

Its because most people overvalue prospects.... Like for myself, i believe that hughes is gonna be an ace, but a shitload of other people say NO WAY...it's homerism. We all fall under it at some point

Im not a Yankee fan and I think Hughes will be great and is much better than Lester....Bucholtz is much better than Lester but maybe the Twins are enamored with the lefty

PEACE

[longnex]

Santana, a left-hander who turns 29 in March, has a 93-44 record with a 3.22 ERA in eight seasons and is owed $13.25 million next year. Any other pitcher in baseball would take 15 wins, a 3.33 ERA, a 1.073 WHIP and 235 Ks in 219 innings. For Santana, that represents a down year. All those numbers are career lows for him since he became a full-time starting pitcher. That's the great news. Even his worst season slots him as the No. 1 pitcher to target on Draft Day. He remains a viable first-rounder in all Rotisserie leagues and is a must-have ace in Head-to-Head points leagues that tend to favor front-line starting pitching. We might argue a Jake Peavy or Josh Beckett will be a better bargain where you will have to draft them, but all things being equal, you have to consider Santana the best pitcher in baseball still -- especially if he winds up with a juggernaut like the Yankees

I think we have become spoiled with this guy and expect nothing but CGSOs....anything less and he is above average?

PEACE

I agree with that. Thats what im saying. He hasnt lived up to what he has done in the past. I still think he is a good pitcher but not the same pitcher he was 3-4 years ago. That dont mean that he cant live up to his potential this year. Maybe he just had an off year for his standards. Maybe more players are waiting on the change up. 33 homeruns are alot of homers to give up.

[wayne1218]

Santana, a left-hander who turns 29 in March, has a 93-44 record with a 3.22 ERA in eight seasons and is owed $13.25 million next year. Any other pitcher in baseball would take 15 wins, a 3.33 ERA, a 1.073 WHIP and 235 Ks in 219 innings. For Santana, that represents a down year. All those numbers are career lows for him since he became a full-time starting pitcher. That's the great news. Even his worst season slots him as the No. 1 pitcher to target on Draft Day. He remains a viable first-rounder in all Rotisserie leagues and is a must-have ace in Head-to-Head points leagues that tend to favor front-line starting pitching. We might argue a Jake Peavy or Josh Beckett will be a better bargain where you will have to draft them, but all things being equal, you have to consider Santana the best pitcher in baseball still -- especially if he winds up with a juggernaut like the Yankees

I think we have become spoiled with this guy and expect nothing but CGSOs....anything less and he is above average?

PEACE

That's funny. The Yankees a juggernaut??? The freakin' little Tiggers have gone to more WS then them in the last 5 years!

[The Lovedoc]

I think buccholz needs to be in this trade

[wayne1218]

They were near the bottom in runs scored 718

And were they near the top in his better years? I'm guessing probably not.

[BigWeiner]

Since when do Minor League numbers ever mean anything in the majors?

Well for starters, a player usually has to do well in the minors before they're brought up. If a player hits for power or steals bases in the minors, that's usually what they do in the majors. It's not an exact science, but usually if you tear the cover off the ball in the minors, you'll do well in the majors.

[kbsooner21]

Santana is a pitcher on the decline. You heard it here first

[wayne1218]

I think buccholz needs to be in this trade

Me too. His trade value will never be higher than it is coming off a no no. Keep Jacoby!!!

[BigWeiner]

And were they near the top in his better years? I'm guessing probably not.

No they weren't, which IMO makes Johan even better. If he had run support he'd probably would've won 30 games, now he'll at least win 20 with the RedSox or Yankees.

[The Lovedoc]

Im not a Yankee fan and I think Hughes will be great and is much better than Lester....Bucholtz is much better than Lester but maybe the Twins are enamored with the lefty

PEACE

So, why would the yankees trade an ace on the uprise for many many years for an ace who is 8 years older and might be declining in 3 or so years?

[longnex]

Santana is a pitcher on the decline. You heard it here first

2nd. I said it in post 17.

[The Lovedoc]

Santana is a pitcher on the decline. You heard it here first

and who keeps on yelling at me for these threads?? Your the best buddy! how ya been?