Red Sox take the lead in the Santana sweepstakes!!!

[BigWeiner]

BW....why would you keep calling ellsbury."that speedy little white guy"......he is actually Indian.......is it because most white guys are slow???

do we now say that "slow black guy" if there is a slow footed black player like byron leftwich???

i suppose if as a white guy i did.....it would start a ruckus

My bad, the white guy part had nothing to do with what I was getting it, I haven't even really seen him play that much, but what I have, he seemed like a decent hitter with speed, not a five tool player, that should be traded for Johan.

[BigWeiner]

Look what the cat dragged in. Great post, is that you clapping behind your computer?

[wayne1218]

look at Johans #s again and then put that in perspective that this was his worst season in 4 or 5 years.

PEACE

You said it yourself, it was a DECLINE from what he has done in past years. Right now, he is not the best in baseball. Whether or not he stakes that claim again remains to be seen!

[MtrCtyPimp]

You said it yourself, it was a DECLINE from what he has done in past years. Right now, he is not the best in baseball. Whether or not he stakes that claim again remains to be seen!

Who is better?

PEACE

[jordanrules23]

Look what the cat dragged in. Great post, is that you clapping behind your computer?

nah im just glad other ppl than me are calling you out for your ways that ive thought for a yr...thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BigWeiner]

"This Season" ... Beckett, Sabathia and Peavy were all better. I did watch Santana several times this season on my MLB Extra Innings package and he simply wasn't the dominating guy he was when he Won the Cy Young!

I think if he goes to a better offensive team and gets the run support he'll look a lot better, still had great numbers besides wins, and he's young

[wayne1218]

My bad, the white guy part had nothing to do with what I was getting it, I haven't even really seen him play that much, but what I have, he seemed like a decent hitter with speed, not a five tool player, that should be traded for Johan.

Are you crazy???

The Guy could have easily Won the WS MVP award before he was ever eligible for the Rookie of the Year award. Name another player who has done that. The kid is amazing and hit over .350 in the post season i think. His HR's will come and if he isn't a 4 1/2 tool player, i don't think i know who is.

[jordanrules23]

Johan is in the top 5 best pitchers in baseball!!!!!!

[BigWeiner]

nah im just glad other ppl than me are calling you out for your ways that ive thought for a yr...thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice try, but I haven't been responding to your retarded posts for a year.

[wayne1218]

I think if he goes to a better offensive team and gets the run support he'll look a lot better, still had great numbers besides wins, and he's young

That may be true but let's not act like he pitched for the Pirates or something last year. They had Hunter, Morneau and Mauer. The team wasn't exactly horrible offensively.

[jordanrules23]

That may be true but let's not act like he pitched for the Pirates or something last year. They had Hunter, Morneau and Mauer. The team wasn't exactly horrible offensively.

Wayne, so your against the trade for Johan??? if they have to include the 2nd baseman?

[BigWeiner]

Are you crazy???

The Guy could have easily Won the WS MVP award before he was ever eligible for the Rookie of the Year award. Name another player who has done that. The kid is amazing and hit over .350 in the post season i think. His HR's will come and if he isn't a 4 1/2 tool player, i don't think i know who is.

I know he hit .350 in the playoffs, but if you look at his minor league numbers they don't translate, so I see him as .300 with some speed and no power. I just don't see how he's untouchable when talking about Johan.

[The Lovedoc]

That may be true but let's not act like he pitched for the Pirates or something last year. They had Hunter, Morneau and Mauer. The team wasn't exactly horrible offensively.

i remember for like a month straight they had a tough time scoring.

[MtrCtyPimp]

Thats what I was saying earlier. He was a great pitcher. Now I think he is an above average pitcher. If he goes to the Red Sox he wont be their ace. Beckett will be.

Santana, a left-hander who turns 29 in March, has a 93-44 record with a 3.22 ERA in eight seasons and is owed $13.25 million next year. Any other pitcher in baseball would take 15 wins, a 3.33 ERA, a 1.073 WHIP and 235 Ks in 219 innings. For Santana, that represents a down year. All those numbers are career lows for him since he became a full-time starting pitcher. That's the great news. Even his worst season slots him as the No. 1 pitcher to target on Draft Day. He remains a viable first-rounder in all Rotisserie leagues and is a must-have ace in Head-to-Head points leagues that tend to favor front-line starting pitching. We might argue a Jake Peavy or Josh Beckett will be a better bargain where you will have to draft them, but all things being equal, you have to consider Santana the best pitcher in baseball still -- especially if he winds up with a juggernaut like the Yankees

I think we have become spoiled with this guy and expect nothing but CGSOs....anything less and he is above average?

PEACE

[BigWeiner]

That may be true but let's not act like he pitched for the Pirates or something last year. They had Hunter, Morneau and Mauer. The team wasn't exactly horrible offensively.

They were near the bottom in runs scored 718