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    St Louis Rams @ KANSAS CITY CHIEFS

    In a recent post of mine I pointed out how eventual Superbowl Winners are prone to win during the pre-season, and especially since the rise of free agency and the fall of dynasties. Add to that the win-now mentality (very few rebuilding plans) since the successes of the Panthers and Jaguars in their 2nd seasons, and the pre-season trend is even more reliable.

    With both the Rams and Chiefs standing at 0-1, it is noteworthy to me that one of them will fall to 0-2 in view of the SB tendancy. In view of that fact, a few initial observances come to mind.

    One, I believe the Chiefs have a far better chance at a SB title than the Rams who lack the coach and--in my opionion--the QB to get them there, much less win it. While both of these coaches went to a SB, I'm apt to believe nearly any coach could've taken the 2001 Rams to the bowl.

    Two, I believe in this game home field comes into play.

    Looking at these teams pre-season records with their current coaches, here's what we have:


    Rams w/Martz:

    3-6 SU/4-4-1 ATS on Road (0-5 SU/1-3-1 ATS last five)
    Since SB Win: 1-8 SU/2-6-1 ATS All Games///0-4 SU/1-2-1 ATS Road


    Chiefs w/Vermeil:

    5-1 SU/4-2 ATS Home
    4-1 SU & ATS off a loss All Games

    *Only SU/ATS loss (when coming off a loss) was a road game, a second straight road game, and was Vermeil's first game against his former team--the Rams. The Rams were coming home off two losses and it was their SB year. Even in that setting, the Chiefs only failed to cover by 1-point.

    *In his 4 SU/ATS Wins (when coming off a loss), Vermeil's Cheifs covered by 6, 10, 7, and 19-points in those games.

    It is safe to say that the Chiefs are the obvious play to me. I'm not crazy about laying more than a FG in Week Two of Pre-Season, and I'm not crazy about the fact that the whole world is on the Chiefs in this one. But sometimes the whole world is right. The more comfortable play for me is the moneyline with the Chiefs -200.

    If not comfortable with the moneyline, rather than double the risk you could merely accept a smaller return on the same risk, which beats the heck out of a loss in the event that the Chiefs eek out a FG win in failing to cover.

    *CHIEFS PK -200


    There is still time left to sign up for my annual Spread Report Online--a College and Pro Football Tipsheet now in it's 4th Season--and receive the August Early Bird Discount. The cost is about 5 and a half bucks per Issue. For more info, feel free to contact me:

    dave
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    http://spreadreport.tripod.com

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    P.S.-

    Everywhere I look people are on the OVER. Please consider...


    Rams vs Chiefs:

    Head to head: Last four games NO OVERS

    With Current Coaches: Three games, NO OVERS

    Rams w/Martz (last 3 years): 14 games, only 3 OVERS (6 road games, only 2 OVER)

    Chiefs w/Vermeil: 13 games, only 4 OVER (6 home games, only 1 OVER)

    Consider also that an already "Under Prone" game has the Chiefs "off of a significant OVER" in their last game (24-34 loss) and that could mean a bounce back down.

    Remember too: Potential SB contenders typically show a propensity to play strong defensively in the pre-season. If this were the Cardinals and Lions (very likely not SB contenders), that might be different.

    I'm passing on the total...

    gl,
    dave
    Last edited by Warrior; 08-23-2004, 03:58 PM.

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    • #3
      MLB Opinion: UNDER 8.5 +100 Red Sox-BLUE JAYS

      dave

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      • #4
        Critical Mass

        The amount of action coming in on the OVER in tonight's game is reaching critical mass. I don't want to take anyone off of a winner if the game does go over, but I do want to share info to make a wise and informed decision.

        In addition to the above pre-season trends for these teams and coaches, please consider my rebuttal to the OVER position:


        True that these two teams averaged 52.3 points per game in weeks 2 & 3, but that number is skewed by 1 game where 73 points were scored.

        Secondly, two of those four games fell EXACTLY on 42.0 Total Points Scored--a little too close for comfort when considering that tonight's total is 41.5.

        Third, it is true that the Rams last year exploded offensively off a 6-point outing (tonight they are off a 10-point outing). That is true. It is also true that the Chiefs did the same thing last year off a 6-point outing.

        Only one problem, going into tonight's game, the Chiefs are not coming off of a 'poor' offensive outing. In fact, they scored 24 last week which is high for pre-season. They also allowed 34, which is more of a reason to expect them to show up defensively tonight.

        In comments from Vermeil and Gunther Cunninghem, both of them admitted to defensive shortcomings. Just because the coaches recognize and freely speak about their current weakness does not mean they are inept.

        I am more inclined to think those comments will have the Chief's defense on their toes.

        And finally, last year the Rams were two-deep at the (seasoned) QB position with Warner and Bulger. Warner is gone.

        I like the Chiefs on the Moneyline and a pass on the total...

        gl,
        dave

        If someone is willing, please bump this for viewing later. Thanks.

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              thank you fb...off to work...gl all...

              dave

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              • #8
                Good call

                Dave! I was on the wrong side with this one. Made my plays early.....saw your post......thought about a 2 team teaser with KC +2 & U48 to hedge it and then said.....nahhhhh.....certainly the Rams can score 17-20 vs the Chief LOWLY defense.....NICE INFO AND very good call on your part!

                BEST OF LUCK.......Gv
                I am NOT schizophrenic......and NEITHER am I! Just paranoid that fear may overcome my insanity!

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                • #9
                  Thanks gv...

                  dave

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