BC. It is sad to say

[Ty Gaston]

I responded to Monte.....

I responded to Monte with his request for proof. Me and Angelo met on Friday and they were paid, ask East Coast, does anyone else here have to prove how much money they have to be on the site, this is bullshit, they got thier money I dont welch on a bet. THEY WERE paid period.

And one question, if gambling is illegal and people cant place a bet between themselves why the hell is thier this site? We did nothing illegal

MONTE and whomever, we made our wager in LAS VEGAS, gambling is 100% legal in Nevada, how was our wager Illegal? All we did was post the games here, we wagered in Las Vegas at the parking lot of Wells Fargo and deposited our money, what the hell is illegal about that? ABsolutely nothing

Final word: east Coast got paid!

Ty Gaston

[BettorsChat]

"Its the actual record that counts with real units, and that is what I go by, not the hype.
Even though the challenge was different and the integirty of the $100000 was questioned, the real issue is who won and ny how much;that is what was documented and that is what counts in at least my eyes if I were to consider using a service."

So savage you would use either of these services even if they lied about the money part? Don't you think if they lied about the money then you should be hard pressed to believe them when it comes to other things?

[Buzz]

Most of you guys are all missing the point. My point was not specifically about the contest. It is about ways to clean the forum up, get rid of the fly by night services that just clutter the board and make false claims, start arguments etc. If a service wants to post here hold them accountable for their actions and claims if they want to continue to post. It is a compliment to BC that services want to post here but I just felt it is time to clean house or redifine some rules.

Buzz

[BettorsChat]

TY,

Just prove it then and quit giving excuses.

[wizardofoddz]

Your right

There will be NO challange....
For one, that is not what this forum is for, for two, I wouldn't waste my time now that I really see the truth....

savage, results of the contest.?????
The contest was bullshit just like the money.......
It all was a scam.......
For 1, to be forced to pick a play everyday in it's self is a bunch of bullshit...
Anyone that has a code scumbag, or a 10* game every day is full of shit, be real.....
This was all a SCAM

[savage1]

Lets put it this way-I thought Bill Clinton should have remained president even though he lied about his affair with Monica;I don't want to get into politics but I am trying to make a point as to how I perceive things.
In short it is the documented results which count in life, and in this case at least over the short run we saw what two services could do.
If the contest between ECoast and Ty went on for two weeks and under conditions and terms I felt fair( actual two weeks with all picks rated by say 1-5 units), and one did extremely well, the $100000 would have no relevance.
If I was impressed and knew the plays would not available for nothing at bettorschat and wanted a service, sure I would try them out.
Lets face it gambling is illegal to begin with except in Las Vegas and all of us are breaking or testing the law with our offshores or certainly betting with locals;that is the nature of the beast.
Thus, in some ways the term "honesty" loses some of its meaning because of the nature of this industry.
I am not promoting lying;I am just saying the term has to be tempered a bit in the context of gambling.

[wizardofoddz]

Re: I responded to Monte.....

Originally posted by Ty Gaston
I responded to Monte with his request for proof. Me and Angelo met on Friday and they were paid, ask East Coast, does anyone else here have to prove how much money they have to be on the site, this is bullshit, they got thier money I dont welch on a bet. THEY WERE paid period.

And one question, if gambling is illegal and people cant place a bet between themselves why the hell is thier this site? We did nothing illegal

MONTE and whomever, we made our wager in LAS VEGAS, gambling is 100% legal in Nevada, how was our wager Illegal? All we did was post the games here, we wagered in Las Vegas at the parking lot of Wells Fargo and deposited our money, what the hell is illegal about that? ABsolutely nothing

Final word: east Coast got paid!

Ty Gaston

WOW that was a fast edit Ty, you first stated it was cash, the you stated it was deposited, you were quick to get the cash part out of your post before it showed you edited it....
You both can post your deposit slips.......hahahahahahahaha

SCAM

[wizardofoddz]

Funny thing is, East Coast switched his story and said it was cash

Ty is still sticking to the Wells Fargo story

SCAM

[knockonwood]

Really is none of my business!!! I never believed they had a $100,000 Bet and if I did, I wouldn't want everyone to know about it but that's me!!! As far as picking 10 games, you can't judge a thing from that!!! We all go on our streaks, the Good ones just have to out number the Bad ones!!! I think everyone for keeping this site as Honest as possible!!! I have to agree with Wayne and WIZ 100%!!! Just my opinion!!! I really have better things to do. Bottom line!!! If they both went 10-0, I'll still pick my own games and neither one would still get a penny from me!!! Don't get me wrong though, I still play other people's plays from this site almost every day!!! Until they try and charge and that would be the end of that!!! Have a Great Weekend!!! Knock!

[wayne1218]

Originally posted by savage1
Wayne-one question:
Do YOU personally believe that Ty and ECoast thought that if they said $100000 was involved(when there was no money involved), that their thinking was that aside from drawing a lot of attention, that it would bring the winner a lot more new customers-Yes or no.

ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT IN MY MIND!

YES!

[savage1]

Wayne-I respect your opinion, but I think both services realize that it wouldn't bring any more (if any) than a few customers, because as we(they)all know, someone would get the "hot" picks and post them for all to see-in short, why buy the cow,when the milk is free?
ps obviously I feel this is thinking is more relevant to East Coast than Ty, because most people on bettorschat simply wouldn't pay the much higher amount charged by Ty no matter how well he did in the contest.

[FastBreak]

Re: I responded to Monte.....

Originally posted by Ty Gaston
I responded to Monte with his request for proof. Me and Angelo met on Friday and they were paid, ask East Coast, does anyone else here have to prove how much money they have to be on the site, this is bullshit, they got thier money I dont welch on a bet. THEY WERE paid period.

And one question, if gambling is illegal and people cant place a bet between themselves why the hell is thier this site? We did nothing illegal

MONTE and whomever, we made our wager in LAS VEGAS, gambling is 100% legal in Nevada, how was our wager Illegal? All we did was post the games here, we wagered in Las Vegas at the parking lot of Wells Fargo and deposited our money, what the hell is illegal about that? ABsolutely nothing

Final word: east Coast got paid!

Ty Gaston

If you notice TY GASBAG never mentions a dollar amount....

He rambles on about the legality of gambling and mentions EAST COAST was paid...
PAID WHAT ?????Free PR at BC and most other bettors sites......

East Coast and Ty Gasbag
are just blips on the radar screen when it comes to requested services.
They are both 4th tier services with no demand.

But that doesn't eliminate the fact that both TY and EC are BOTH LIARS and FRAUDS.

FRAUDS!!!!!!!
OUT.

[wayne1218]

savage my point is this. If it was not true (the money) and you say ty is not at all credible than how is east coast when that means they were in bed together to set this up? I'm sorry i respect you too but i really don't get your thinking on this.

[wizardofoddz]

savage

The whole thing was, no one was supposed to question if it were for real......

It was a scam to drum up business, period.
The dollar amount was to draw more attention, period.
How long ago did I challenge Ty?
He blew me off like it was never said...
Then out of the blue, Ty accepts EC to a challenge???
COME-ON, open your eyes !!
It was all marketing, who in their right mind would pick a game a day, all for 1 unit and put up 100k?????
Will you please wake up!!!!!!!!!!!
I seen this coming a mile away, that is why the very first post I asked for proof..
Maybe if it were set up total units won at the end of 2 weeks, I might have believed them..
A good capper can go 4-6, 3-7 and win units..
WAKE UP !!!!
One other thing savage, does a man's word mean nothing to you????

East Coast (aka Baseball_nut) and Ty Gasbag tried to SCAM and deceive this forum, PERIOD!!!!!

[savage1]

Wayne-my only point is that perhaps I approached this whole thing from a one sided and selfish point of view.
I admit I like good picks(ane even more so if they are good), and if they make sense to me, I will play at least some of them.
Thus, in case of this contest, the $100000 was not the issue, but whether either of these guys could show a profit and could get hot.
My thinking was this was more of an ego contest to see who would prevail, and thus whether the $1000000K was real or bullshit was of a secondary nature to me.
Let me ask the question,and it reverts back to what I said earlier-do you really think in terms of the ease of getting plays as seen in the service request thread every day, that either one of these cappers really expected to increase their business bigtime over any significant period of time based on the results of the contest and because allegedly $100000 was at stake?
Again my response is1) In case of East Coast, who is a regular contributor on many different threads at bettorschat, he realized that if he did well, his picks could readily be obtained by one person and posted for the world to see for nothing such as is the case with many of the paid cappers in the service request thread;lets face it other than those who frequent bettorschat, how many people even knew of the contest in the first place?
2) My opinion regarding Ty is that he also realizes especially in view of the fact that he charges a lot more than most services, and that it would be a longshot at best to expect to gain any longterm customers no matter how well he did.
Come on-this contest is about egos,and even many of the posts of people criticizing ECoast and Ty are about egos(their own).
Lying about $100000 shouldn't be sneezed at, but at the same time has to be put in the proper context of what ECoast and Ty were trying to accomplish here. jmho.