Topic Question for the Forum

[Ty Gaston]

Reply to MVP Wins

Unlike what you posted, over a 7 day promotion you lost day 1 and day 7, but won day 2-6, you went 50-37-4 in a 7 day promotion for plus $810. I could never imagine betting 91 games in 7 days, in fact it would be hard to come up with 11-12 plays a day, god bless you if you can do that consistently.

I just don't understand how your plays and money management on 11-12 plays a day over a 7 day period help reduce the risk of heavy losses. I for one am a firm believer one must isolate as few games a day as possible, (with the exception of the NCAA's when there are a ton of games). Even when there are 75 college games on a saturday I couldnt possibly release 11 or 12 games. 7 wins and 5 losses dont make ya nothing, 8 and 4 ya make a little. You also stated "we don't make alot of money". I can see why betting so many games it would be terribly hard to keep a winning percentage higher than the norm.

I am in this business to make money, If I have to spend it to make it, so be it. Someone stated services charge 250 to 2500 per month, with my overhead of employees, taxes, payroll, phone bills, per diem and airfares, I couldnt imagine charging 250 for something unless it was a one day special. I would have been closed along time ago, with such prices, and I have been around since 1985

Ty Gaston

[savage1]

I am going to sum up my feelings by saying that yes, a service or anyone can get information occasion from a nephew or someone playing on a team .
However, this notion that some services pay and fly their "scouts" around the country REGULARLY to different colleges, NBA, NFL and baseball cities and station them there specifically to get "inside" information is simply hogwash, and as stated several reputable paid services have told me the same.
I don't believe that any more than I believe undocumented rubbish of records of 80-90% or even higher winning percentages for any service or a club within a service for an entire season , 50-1 system locks, when system is not disclosed or knowledge of gamblers betting 400K on everyday baseball games, etc.
Services are out to and have a right to make money, but as stated my 30 years of gambling, my 25 years of following services and most importantly my 59 years of existence on this earth and dealing with thousands of people give me a good idea as to what can and cannot be believed.
ps an 80 thousand dollar payroll for 4 months is still 2 million , 787 thousand; by my way of thinking that would l imply you have a HUGE season client base(not daily subscribers) to support a payroll like that;that is an observation only, and folks can draw their own conclusions.

[mvpwins]

RE: TY's comments

To clairify the statement of "we don't make much money on our plays" I was referring to profit from our customers. We provide our customers with 3-5 plays per sport per day at $5.99 per sport. Our plays make our BETTORS money, not line our pockets with high fees for our plays.

Last week we gave out to over 30 clients a FREE week of premium plays.

We went 50-37-4 for a plus $810 profit and a 57.47% winning%. We suggest our players bet $100 per game, more per game if they can afford it or less per game if they can't.

Had our players bet at $1000 per game like Ty's players do OUR customers would have made a lus $8,100. And had we charged them for the 7 days it would have cost them $126. for the week. For a net profit of $7974.

If Ty's players bet his 3 games a day and he won 71.42% 15 wins and 6 losses of his games. And by the way that is a very difficult if not impossible winning % to maintain. His customers would have made $8400 profit on his plays and would have paid TY $250 a day for his plays. So IF he could achieve a 71.42% winning %. They would pay him $1750 for those 21 plays and had a net profit of $6650. More than likely he would achieve about a 61.90% winning%. At those numbers 13-8 his $1000 players would have $4200 from the games and pay TY $1750. This would give them a net profit of $2450.

So let the bettors decide how much they want to make at a $1000 a game, we have showed you the numbers, you decide.

MVP at 57.47%

$8010 wins
$126 fees
__________
$7974 net


TY at 71.42%

$8400 wins
$1750 fees
__________
$6650 net

TY at 61.90%

$4200 wins
$1750 fees
___________
$2450 net


Should we line the bettors pockets or line TY's pockets with profits????????????

A 60.00% + winning % is considered a high industry standard and hard to maintain. 58% is acceptable and will make profit with the right system.

And at least we show are results daily on our site so you can see how we do, WIN or LOSE!

I think this should pretty much sum up the answer to Savage1's question. And in all my posts I did not attack TY in any of my posts on this topic, I simply made some statements that would hopefully help Bettors seek out a good service they can use without naming anyone or implying anything about any particular service. I am not attacking Ty with the comments in this post either, I am simply showing everyone numbers to look at and make thier own decision.


Thank you,

MVP WINS

[savage1]

MVP-Don't mean to editorialize, but NO ONE and I mean NO ONE can maintain a DOCUMENTED over 70% winning percentage over any extended period of time.
If the service did maintain that percentage for a season, clients of that service would be talking about it, and the word would spread fast.
I sure as heck would not believe any service which without documentation claimed 70+% for a season if the service was the only one saying it;talk is cheap.
I would add that that claims of over 80%, which have been made by some services, would give that service absolutely ZERO credibility in my judgment.
Even more laughable is the fact that I have seen services in their ads and websites put out 70% percentages and give phony W-L records sometimes for two or three sports and sometimes for a 2-3 season span!;if I ever see any ad like that, I just
ps I suppose if the service with the claimed better than 70% winning percentage had its "scouts" stationed at every college and NBA gamesite for that day's particular games, than maybe it could maintain that great winning percentage it claimed.YEAH, RIGHT!:D

[Ty Gaston]

MVP making up numbers?

MVPWINS; come'on now your making up numbers of my winning percentages and making up prices of how much people pay me?

Don't assume that since you give out 50 wins and 34 losses over a 7 day period that I give out 3 plays per day! All I was stating was I dont give a carp many sports you play, your 7 day numbers come out to 11-12 plays per day! PERIOD, I didnt get into how many games I give out in a day, or how much I charge for my plays, if you want me to make a point.

my NCAA is 72 wins and 37 losses on the season, thats 66% winners, we deal in mass numbers of clients, and my cost for the season is $795 plus whatever the client feels like tipping, so a dime player is up 31 grand for his $795 costs plus whatever he decided to tip. The season started in Late November so thats generally 1 game per day sometimes 2, NO WHERES near 11-12 games per day, and I don't care how many sports your talking about!

Finally my point was not to bash you, but to say to you, I don';t think you could continue to hit 50 wins and 34 losses every week of the season, its just too many games!

I like my system, my clienst like my system, Longevity and mass numbers is the key for my business, once they come in with me, they see they CAN make money, and they don't need to bet 11-12 games per day! And generally when they come in and do business with me, they come back again and again.

So my numbers make sense, at least to me they do!

Ty Gaston