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    In view of the fact that the thread entitled Sports Service Handicapping Award has been closed, I thought it would be interesting to get the opinions of one of the topics discussed there.
    The topic/question is whether you believe that any sports services actually employ scouts to help them determine which team will cover sports contests.
    My definition of a scout is similar to a scout for a professional team, who travels around the country looking for prospects.
    The implication to me of a sports service scout(and some services claim this) is that services have these so-called scouts stationed around the country at college sites, NBA cities, NFL sites, Major League baseball cities, etc. obtaining information that one cannot get on his own which will help to determine which team co vers.
    My question is do you believe that scouts as defined by me are in fact used by services or do you believe it is hype only?
    My own opinion based on betting for over 30 years and following services since they came into existence in the 70's is that it is alot of hogwash and nothing more than a ploy than to make your service sound better than your competitors and to get your money.
    I find it hard to believe that services pay thousands of dollars to fly "scouts" around the country to get supposed "Inside" information.
    I supposed a scout could find out who was out late partying the night before, who had a fight with his girlfriend, who has a diarrhea, who is constipated, who has an ingrown toenail, what college player called home, which player had his car tuned up(or needs to have it tuned), etc.
    Seriously though,I really would like to know from any of you as well as any services what you think of the term and meaning and use of the word "scout" as it pertains to the handicapping industry.
    Also, would you ever consider using a service which claimed it had scouts?
    I want to ask one further question here, and this is directed as services:
    If any service reading this post uses "scouts" please tell us what your meaning of the word is to you , how specifically the scouts are deployed(for example do they travel), and most importanly how they help you to make your picks for the games.
    Last edited by savage1; 03-11-2004, 11:25 PM.

  • #2
    My 2 cents...

    Do I believe services when they say they have "scouts" and "inside info" on particular teams and leagues? I can answer that with an absolute: NO!

    These are common tout tactics to make it look like they have an inside edge over everyone else when in fact it's as you say Savage, a bunch of "hogwash".

    Legitimate handicapping services do not need to resort to these types of tactics and misrepresentations to gain clients and help them with their sports wagers. When you see things such as "scouts" and 1,000,000* Game of the Millenium Locks, etc. it should be a huge red flag to avoid as those are just marketing tout tactics.

    Will be interesting to see what others think on this...

    SportsGuru

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    • #3
      Sports Guru-I would also add that one service(no need to mention the name, as most know who it is) uses ploys like it(the service) knows of gamblers who are betting upwards of 400K on a a game(what made this laughable was that it was an every day regular season baseball game) "reports" from the "trainers" room about "injured" pitchers, 100-2 system plays, etc.
      We all know about the scamdicappers and their tactics-anything to get a fool to part with his money.
      However, I think in view of original question asked, we should save above topics for a future discussion.
      For now lets just concentrate on scouts-whether they are real, or as I suspect a tout's marketing tool only.

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      • #4
        JCDSPORTS

        does not employ scouts or claim to have inside information. We do not knock other services nor do we question their claims of using scouts or their claims of having "inside info". JCDSPORTS does not believe in "lock games of the year" or the "1000000 star conference can't miss game of the year". In sports gambling, there is no such thing as a lock. Smart gamblers know this. Last night, we released 4 Premium plays and our only loser was on Notre Dame, who blew a 16 point lead with 11 minutes left because their starting guard got in foul trouble. Any one who claims that West Virginia was a lock and that they knew this was going to happen in lying.
        JCDSPORTS ranks our plays regular and premium and we work our butts off handicapping the games thru stats, trends, injuries, edges, etc. A premium play for us is a play that grades out stronger than others. It is not a play that we have "inside info" on. We will not get into bashing other services that make these claims because that is not our style. We know that we are honest with everyone about what we do and we work hard at what we do. The only reason we are responding to this post is because savage 1 ask for responses PLUS we respect this forum and we would like the viewers to respect us.
        Savage 1 , JCDSPORTS does not employ scouts but we cannot answer for other services who claim that they do.
        Thanks and good luck in your wagers.
        Dave
        Managing Partner
        JCDSPORTS
        JCDSPORTS

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        • #5
          JCDSPORTS

          i have used them a couple of times,they are indeed a class act,they dont promise you the moon,just the best picks they feel can win.

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          • #6
            Just the tone of your(JCD's) post plus what Frank said (for whom I have the greatest respect) tells me something very positive about you.
            I wish you the best of luck!

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            • #7
              Two Words :

              " No Way "

              Could they stumble-up on a tip , no doubt they can but to say they have them on stand-by (scouts) is beyond reason and expense for anyone.

              G.L.

              ***MMM***

              :cool: :cool: :cool:
              " The Wind Does Not Wait For The Tree To Bend "

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              • #8
                Here's an FBI Recon Picture of some of Ty Gaston's finest scouts handicapping their "Code Birdhouse" Play of The Century.
                Attached Files
                The Rice Truck is NEVER Wrong!!!

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                • #9
                  Bigjimt-that was great, funny and made my day.
                  Memphis-perhaps a certain handicapper, who was cited in bigjimt's post , should comment on what you said, inasmuch as in the eyes of just about everyone, you, besides being a little older and wiser(take that as a plus), are one of the most respected cappers on this forum.

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                  • #10
                    Savage,

                    A scout to a sports service is nothing more than a 300 lb 5'5 guy living in town who collects on the reverse wagers these guys take.

                    There is no way any service has scouts in a professional manner. They might have connections they feel are legit or who might give insight, but inside info "scouts" do not exist. Last I checked they ended right around the era that the movie "Casino" was portrayed.

                    But you knew the answer before you asked the question..

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                    • #11
                      I don't want to poison the well, so to speak, but I will stand by my contention in the thread entitled Sports Service Academy Award that for the most part the so-called "scouts" for any service which claims to have them (if they exist at all) are nothing more than the guy who owns the service or one of his employees who reads the sports section of the newspaper and the boxscores.
                      Last edited by savage1; 03-12-2004, 12:49 PM.

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                      • #12
                        To be or not to be!

                        For those of you who believe there is no such thing as a professional scout, you need your heads examined!

                        Every college basketball team in the country employs scouts, most of which are older alumni who travel and watch other teams they will play. These scouts know the insight of thier very own team, shooting hot, shooting not, morale, team packed it in, etc etc. How many times have people referred to scouts and inside information on ESPN, that the information was released prior to it happening and then it happened!

                        How about all the idiots who lost money on the Celtics the other night against the Lakers because they bet not KNOWING KOBE suited. I for one bet the Lakers knowing from my source that KOBE was gonna play 10 minutes prior to tip-off! It didnt mean the game was a cinch, but I wouldn't have bet the Lakers that game without KOBE playing!

                        Every major league baseball team, NBA Team, college football team you name it employ scouts! Karrem Abdul Jabbar is now scouting, did you know that? There are a ton of former players who go on to scouting, because they may not be coaching material. How do college teams decide which high school players are worth offering scholarships. Via SCOUTS who inform assistant coaches, head coaches etc the guy is for real and they should offer a scholarship!

                        And as I say, for those who can contact scouts of any of these teams, and get information from them, God Bless Them!
                        If they pay em fine, who cares, they don't make much as scouts and their information can be valuable to people who bet on sports!

                        And for those that don't believe scouts exist and can be obtained by other sources, also probably believe games cannot be fixed. With an open mind and by watching a lot of games, don't tell me you havent wondered on your own whether a game was fixed or not!

                        And there have been proven cases to be made about fixing games, most recently with the Arizona State scandal when college kids (and significant others) were going to Vegas and betting a ton of money against arizona state to not cover, and for those who don't and didn't belive it, it happened again this past basketball season!! Ya see some people are in the know while others just claim to know! There were plenty of those things happening in college hoops this year, it happens in the IVY league every year, just certain games and you must be in the know to when they occur. Fact of the matter Texas A&M and Wyoming were notorious this season for playing games, where point shaving was clear, just watching thier games it was evident, but if you didnt know prior then you missed the boat.

                        You probably missed the boat on the UNLV scandal.....
                        You probably missed the boat on the Tulane scandal..........

                        And don't forget a world series was fixed for those who follow baseball history, or were perhaps alive and can comment on it.

                        Believe what you want to believe, but if someone told me something was going to happen and I watched the game with my own eyes and saw it happen, I would go back to that same person and tell him to inform me of future events.

                        Your gonna get those who believe and those that deny, but case in point Pete Rose was a believer, he thought what he had going was a huge edge in his favor, and some of us believe in those edges, while others dont believe it or can't afford the edges!

                        Ty Gaston

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                        • #13
                          Whereas I do believe that Scouts for professional and college sports teams do exist, the time when only "the chosen few" could act upon their up to the minute info BEFORE sportsbooks could adjust the line on a game is over.

                          Thank you internet

                          "What the fcuk is the internet?"
                          -Jay, Leonardo NJ
                          Last edited by bigjimt; 03-12-2004, 03:41 PM.
                          The Rice Truck is NEVER Wrong!!!

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                          • #14
                            I also believe there was alot of weird things going on in the Big East this year. Especially involving Miami games.

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                            • #15
                              LUCKY LEO BINGO!

                              Lucky Leo;
                              no wonder I like you, your attention to detail is remarkable
                              they lost the Villanova and georgetown games as favorites at home, they gave away the notre dame game, and they did everything they could to give the game to rutgers, i believe they were +5 , but rutgers couldnt convert thier foul shots, Miami then lost 3 more straight against the spread after the rutgers game. I ain't saying names on Miami but at least 3 were involved! Good point Lucky Leo
                              Ty Gaston

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