Bill Maher

[yuri]

Savage, you are clearly a well-read and intelligent man.

[yuri]

I CAN'T WAIT TO VOTE IN THE PRES. ELECTION, WHOEVER BILL MAHER, NANCY PELOSI, BARBARA BOXER, HOWARD DEAN, TED KENNEDNY,AL FRANKEN, AL GORE, JESSE JACKSON, AL SHARPTON SUPPORT GOT MY VOTE....NO BODY SAYS ACCOUNTABILITY, RESPONSIBILITY AND DEPENDABILITY BETTER THAN THESE FOLKS................I WANT TO PUT MY WELFARE, EXCUSE THE PUN IN THEIR HANDS

ONce again, moving the spotlight to others and not addressing the current man in power. Predictable.

[savage1]

Savage, you are clearly a well-read and intelligent man.

Obviously the same goes for you.

[Lsufan]

Will this thread ever die??

[savage1]

Will this thread ever die??

Will George Bush ever change his mind about anything is a more relevant question.

[TwoTonTony]

Even if you do not agree with Nancy Pelosi, listen to her speak, be aware of her thought processes and reasoning and compare it to that (or lack thereof) with Bush;there is no comparison in my opinion.
I view intelligence, ability to think independently, a sense of history, intellectual curiosity and reading and many other things important qualites for a president of the US;Bush sadly lacks in just about everything;then again I view him more of a puppet for big business interests anyways. thus maybe for those who think he is a good president the qualities I mentioned are not so importannt afterall.

there is a difference in ability to speak and ability to spin.....I get the fact that you hate bush....even as a republican i am not a big fan of his......nancy pelosi is a fucking idiot....period....the ability to speak means you are a good orator....not a good leader....and do not kid yourself about her being a independent thinker....she is after the same thing all the other politicians are.......re-election....

i would assume you would be a democrat being a civil servant......i just did not think you would be a bra burning liberal!!!

i will not argue politics because i will not win.....i just hate to see all the monday morning qb's piling on.....I do not think many people (republicans included) can defend what bush has done and i think history will not be kind, but you guys are hanging your hats on the likes of ted kennedy, pelosi, boxer, dean, kerry, sharpton, jesse jackson is just as comical.....

ha ha....good luck betting....i hate politics!!!!

[TwoTonTony]

Will George Bush ever change his mind about anything is a more relevant question.

actually the sign of a good leader is make decisions swiftly and change slowly...........Napolean Hill.......

it is called conviction....

[savage1]

there is a difference in ability to speak and ability to spin.....I get the fact that you hate bush....even as a republican i am not a big fan of his......nancy pelosi is a fucking idiot....period....the ability to speak means you are a good orator....not a good leader....and do not kid yourself about her being a independent thinker....she is after the same thing all the other politicians are.......re-election....

i would assume you would be a democrat being a civil servant......i just did not think you would be a bra burning liberal!!!

i will not argue politics because i will not win.....i just hate to see all the monday morning qb's piling on.....I do not think many people (republicans included) can defend what bush has done and i think history will not be kind, but you guys are hanging your hats on the likes of ted kennedy, pelosi, boxer, dean, kerry, sharpton, jesse jackson is just as comical.....

ha ha....good luck betting....i hate politics!!!!

Tony-I am far from a bra burning liberal.
Remember I worked for the Welfare Dept., for 34 years, and believe me, I saw my share of folks trying to abuse the system for example.
If during my investigations, I found or suspected they were lying, I turned them in and hope that they got what they deserved when they were investigated further;I was not and am not one of the real liberals who think that welfar recipients can do no wrong.
I vote the man and not the party;I voted for Bush Sr. in 1988 because I did not think Dukakis was worthy of my vote as he was a lousy governor.
I think any of the people you mentioned(also include Kerry) with the exception of Sharpton or Jesse Jackson would make much better presidents that Bush because of their perspective, intelligence and ability to reason and not be so steadfast in their beliefs as is Bush.
Sure Pelosi wants to get re-elected, but I believe a lot more in her vision of American than that of Bush.
Oh well, thats why they call it politics.
I do hope you get a chance to watch the show, as it was9from my point of view anyways) one of the most accurate portrayals of this Administration.

[savage1]

actually the sign of a good leader is make decisions swiftly and change slowly...........Napolean Hill.......

it is called conviction....

To me it is more like buying a bad stock;one who holds on too long will lose a lot, whereas a smart investor will sell quickly after he realizes it was a bad decision and cut his losses(this is a similar situation to what has happened in Iraq).

[TwoTonTony]

To me it is more like buying a bad stock;one who holds on too long will lose a lot, whereas a smart investor will sell quickly after he realizes it was a bad decision and cut his losses(this is a similar situation to what has happened in Iraq).

that would not have been prudent either....many men and women over there believe in the process......it is nothing like buying a bad stock.....you have committed to a nation (well 2 ours and theirs).....to cut and run is almost worse.....I was not in support of going to war in iraq.....i knew there would be a political vacum, but to not have a withdrawal plan and just cut and run, would leave the new government high and dry......i certainly do not pretend to have the answers but i think we have to see it through to the best of our abilities......i would like to see us downsize our forces by years end......

there is nothing easy about war....that is for sure and we have been used to having our way......minimal casualties......

i am sure our tactics have changed as the enemy has adapted as well......it is no picnic there.....but i think we should continue training as many iraqi's as possible......

but like i said....i do not pretend to know the answer......it is a shame either way......

[TwoTonTony]

Tony-I am far from a bra burning liberal.
Remember I worked for the Welfare Dept., for 34 years, and believe me, I saw my share of folks trying to abuse the system for example.
If during my investigations, I found or suspected they were lying, I turned them in and hope that they got what they deserved when they were investigated further;I was not and am not one of the real liberals who think that welfar recipients can do no wrong.
I vote the man and not the party;I voted for Bush Sr. in 1988 because I did not think Dukakis was worthy of my vote as he was a lousy governor.
I think any of the people you mentioned(also include Kerry) with the exception of Sharpton or Jesse Jackson would make much better presidents that Bush because of their perspective, intelligence and ability to reason and not be so steadfast in their beliefs as is Bush.
Sure Pelosi wants to get re-elected, but I believe a lot more in her vision of American than that of Bush.
Oh well, thats why they call it politics.
I do hope you get a chance to watch the show, as it was9from my point of view anyways) one of the most accurate portrayals of this Administration.

savage,

politics is not my cup of tea and i have watched maher and he loads the panel with other card carrying liberals and they blast away....that to me is not fair and balanced.....i prefer to watch sean hannerty.....

i agree many people would be better than bush, but whose fault is it that they are not in office.....both parties put up their best....and we voted....so it eventually falls on the american people.....

i think bush is way too stubborn.....this i agree with....but who really calls the shots??? is it the president??? or is it congress? or the senate? or is it the lobbyists? or is it rumsfeld??? who knows....i certainly do not.....i know one thing it all depends on who you listen to......their are points of validity on both sides.....I just can not stand politics!!!

just kidding about the bra!!! i know that you are retired you would never go braless!!!

[savage1]

Hey Tony-my analogy is not perfect, and in retrospect it would have been better to not go into Iraq at all.
It would probably have been more appropriate to say that a good investor would have weighed all of the pluses and minuses before even buying the stock and not bought at all because there were too many inherent risks.(with Iraq thus not invading).
Yes the show has liberal guests, but if you get a chance (if you have HBO), just watch Cornel West's commentary and see what you think.
ps I don't go braless, but have no complaints when my wife does(she would kill me if she saw this, but what a set of watermelons).
Tony-I love your honest appraisal of things;it is a lot more than some people would say who are conservative.

[te14]

Hey Tony-my analogy is not perfect, and in retrospect it would have been better to not go into Iraq at all.
It would probably have been more appropriate to say that a good investor would have weighed all of the pluses and minuses before even buying the stock and not bought at all because there were too many inherent risks.(with Iraq thus not invading).
Yes the show has liberal guests, but if you get a chance (if you have HBO), just watch Cornel West's commentary and see what you think.
ps I don't go braless, but have no complaints when my wife does(she would kill me if she saw this, but what a set of watermelons).
Tony-I love your honest appraisal of things;it is a lot more than some people would say who are conservative.

CORNEL WEST!!!!!!!!!! Son of a bitch, do the leftist pinkos you guys hale as truth tellers ever end? You'd be a whole lot better off just ripping the Pres. and leaving it at that. By referencing Pelosi, West, etc., people start tuning your real points.


End this thread already.

P.S. Never met one person who has EVER been polled.

[BettorsChat]

I haven't defended Bush other then to say A LOT of the things you left wingers constantly complain about isn't the total responsibility of ONE person.
Are the Republicans on this board going to post link for Rep fundraising?
And when complainging about Katrina, why is Nagin's name ALWAYS left out. Yet Bush was supposed to drive the buses from NO to get everyone to safety eh?
Personal responsibility at it's finest!

Go ahead and post a Republican fund raiser link as I don't care. The purpose of those links are to show facts Bush lover.

[BettorsChat]

wow!!!

to quote a letter from nancy pelosi is comical...she is so far gone it is not funny......i agree that bush has been terrible, but she is horrendous.....

Dispute the facts from those links with actual press facts.