Congrats Joe Torre!!

[Three Jack]

A special talent. You must be smoking some of Waynes kind bud again. No way torre has a special talent. As far as lasting under steinbrenner, thats an easy answer. Torre is/has unlimited talent to work with because in the 90's steinbrenner implimented the "win at all costs" mentality. other managers didnt even get that opportunity under steinbrenner. Bottomline is torre is a average manager @ best. Nothing more, nothing less.

Agreed to certain extent but just because you spend it doesn't mean you automatically win. Plenty of examples in every sport, including baseball where the 'win at all costs' mentality has failed miserably. My Mets have been the posterchild for it on more than one occasion. The Manager deserves some credit for winning. He isn't the best Manager in baseball, but he is better than average.

[10DimeBry]

Agreed to certain extent but just because you spend it doesn't mean you automatically win. Plenty of examples in every sport, including baseball where the 'win at all costs' mentality has failed miserably. My Mets have been the posterchild for it on more than one occasion. The Manager deserves some credit for winning. He isn't the best Manager in baseball, but he is better than average.

yes but put the money aside for a second. Torre has had the best talent in MLB bar none for over a decade. unlimited payroll and ability to upgrade @ any point during the year. Fact is Torre isnt that great of a manager and winning 1,000 games shouldnt be something to be all excited about if your a yankee fan. Big freakin deal. I'll put it like this. Torre = Ferrari Me = pinto who you betting on to win a 1 mile race down a road???? torre right..... Thats what i thought. Thats what torre is doing he is controlling a ferrari and still not blowing the doors off the rest.

[TMAC951]

yes but put the money aside for a second. Torre has had the best talent in MLB bar none for over a decade. unlimited payroll and ability to upgrade @ any point during the year. Fact is Torre isnt that great of a manager and winning 1,000 games shouldnt be something to be all excited about if your a yankee fan. Big freakin deal. I'll put it like this. Torre = Ferrari Me = pinto who you betting on to win a 1 mile race down a road???? torre right..... Thats what i thought. Thats what torre is doing he is controlling a ferrari and still not blowing the doors off the rest.

HATER ALERT!!

[Three Jack]

yes but put the money aside for a second. Torre has had the best talent in MLB bar none for over a decade. unlimited payroll and ability to upgrade @ any point during the year. Fact is Torre isnt that great of a manager and winning 1,000 games shouldnt be something to be all excited about if your a yankee fan. Big freakin deal. I'll put it like this. Torre = Ferrari Me = pinto who you betting on to win a 1 mile race down a road???? torre right..... Thats what i thought. Thats what torre is doing he is controlling a ferrari and still not blowing the doors off the rest.

Listen to me, about to semi-defend the Yankees. Not sure I agree with the comment about the best talent the past decade. Most expensive talent- absolutely. Best? Do you think the Yankees of the late 90's were the most talented teams? Or the best that played together? I hate the Yankees..but the late '90 Yankees with O'Neill, Brosius, Bernie, Tino, Jeter, Posada...none of those, except for maybe Jeter and Rivera, were the best at their position. They played the right way and were actually tough to hate because they played the game the way it is supposed to be played...fundamentally sound, intense, put it all on the line and played hard. The teams in recent years have had major shortcomings (Cashman fault, not Torre). Their starting pitching has not been good. They have been hurt (as is everyone else) and they have not performed in the clutch. Blame Torre for that if you want, but look at some other teams that spent the money and couldn't compete...Mid-90 Mets for example. the Manager still has to get them to perform. I agree with you that 1000 wins for Torre is not a big deal, I just think he is one of the top 5-6 Managers in the game right now and not middle of the road as you believe.

I love good healthy sports debates.

[savage1]

All I know is that in my mind Torre is a MUCH better manager than Francona, and I would swap even up anytime and even throw in Rudy Seanez for good measure to "sweeten" the deal.

[10DimeBry]

All I know is that in my mind Torre is a MUCH better manager than Francona, and I would swap even up anytime and even throw in Rudy Seanez for good measure to "sweeten" the deal.

YOU must be high on Wayne's weed again. Need you forget who was "managing" the yankees when they lost in the biggest collapse in post season history.....ah that would be ding ding ding Joe Torre....i know i know he is a great manager and won 1,000 games with the yankees.

[10DimeBry]

Listen to me, about to semi-defend the Yankees. Not sure I agree with the comment about the best talent the past decade. Most expensive talent- absolutely. Best? Do you think the Yankees of the late 90's were the most talented teams? Or the best that played together? I hate the Yankees..but the late '90 Yankees with O'Neill, Brosius, Bernie, Tino, Jeter, Posada...none of those, except for maybe Jeter and Rivera, were the best at their position. They played the right way and were actually tough to hate because they played the game the way it is supposed to be played...fundamentally sound, intense, put it all on the line and played hard. The teams in recent years have had major shortcomings (Cashman fault, not Torre). Their starting pitching has not been good. They have been hurt (as is everyone else) and they have not performed in the clutch. Blame Torre for that if you want, but look at some other teams that spent the money and couldn't compete...Mid-90 Mets for example. the Manager still has to get them to perform. I agree with you that 1000 wins for Torre is not a big deal, I just think he is one of the top 5-6 Managers in the game right now and not middle of the road as you believe.

I love good healthy sports debates.

i too love a sports debate. What i'm saying is if you were to dress a Donkey in a NYY cap and a NYY wind breaker and put it on the bench, it would win 1,000 games too. And yes the late 90's NYY were that damn good. Jeter,bernie,pissada all going into their primes. O and dont forget rivera,clemens,cone,wells o and o'neil and tino. Come on. And then look @ who they won their WS against. SD,atl(whom everyone beats) the muts. You cant blame NYY for who they played i know that. What my point being is with that amount of talent and endless payroll and abilities to aquire players Torre IMO hasnt done anything special what so ever.

[savage1]

YOU must be high on Wayne's weed again. Need you forget who was "managing" the yankees when the lost in the biggest collapse in post season history.....ah that would be ding ding ding Joe Torre....i know i know he is a great manager and won 1,000 games with the yankees.

No one is perfect. Do you think Francona for example would have won as many WS as Torres had he been in his place, or coversely do you think Sox would have had a better chance of winning more WS with the likes of Torre of Grady Little or even Francona? I bet Torre would have had the smarts to take Pedro Martinez out when he was supposed to in that infamous game 7 of the 2003 playoffs, an error which ultimately cost the Sox the game and the series.

[10DimeBry]

No one is perfect. Do you think Francona for example would have won as many WS as Torresd has he been in his place, or coversely do you think Sox would have had a better chance of winning more WS with the likes of Torre of Grady Little or even Francona? I bet Torre would have had the smarts to take Pedro Martinez out in that infamous game 7 of the 2003 playoffs, an error which ultimately cost the Sox the game and the series.

yes i do believe francona/little/you/me/spark/wayne(stoned) would have won as many WS titles as Torre. please take a good look @ Mr Torre track record before managing the yankees. then we will further this discussion. Please see NY mets,atl,st louis

[Lsufan]

yes i do believe francona/little/you/me/spark/wayne(stoned)

[wayne1218]

[TMAC951]

yes i do believe francona/little/you/me/spark/wayne(stoned) would have won as many WS titles as Torre. please take a good look @ Mr Torre track record before managing the yankees. then we will further this discussion. Please see NY mets,atl,st louis

Once again being a HATER.. Drop your shit and read the dudes fucking question.. Managing skills have nothing to do with what players you have paid to come there.. Managing skills have tp do with knowing when to take a pitcher out,knowing when he is done.. Unlike your weak ass manager in the Martinez game 7 in the 03 playoffs like savage previously spoke about.. That is what being a MLB Manager is all about and IMO Torre is just that.. ONE OF THE BEST MLB MANAGERS IN THE GAME.. NOT THE BEST BUT ONE OF THE BEST..

[savage1]

yes i do believe francona/little/you/me/spark/wayne(stoned) would have won as many WS titles as Torre. please take a good look @ Mr Torre track record before managing the yankees. then we will further this discussion. Please see NY mets,atl,st louis

So another words, you view Torre as a figurehead whose sole function was/is merely to throw out a lineup every night, just let the players do the winning and that what he said/says and did/does during the games had/has very little influence on the record of the Yanks and their winning the WS?
To change the subject slightly, I admit Yanks had some great players in those years they won, but you know what, the Red Sox also had some great teams over the years and until 2004 won nothing.
No the manager doesn't go out and hit homers and pitch shutouts, but a good manager like a good player sometimes brings many intangibles, some of which inspire the team to great heights.
I for one would rate Torre at least as good as anyone else managing today and better than most.

[wayne1218]

I would take Lou Piniella OVER Joe Money!

[10DimeBry]

stump merill would have done better than Torre