Get the champagne bottles ready!!!

[wayne1218]

You just can't blame the "W" or "L" one one person and one person only....

I don't care who you are.

Tom Brady is NOT the reason the Pats won back to back super bowls....

just like Donavon McNabb is NOT the reason they have not won the super bowl these past years.

To put that kind of burden on ONE PLAYER is not just.

Peyton didn't do anything CHOKE wise to LOSE the game for Indianapolis....BUT...he also didn't do what he's capable of doing to win it for them either.

John i agree. You need a "Team" to win but i would bet ANY amount that without Brady, the Pats don't have 3, 2, or 1 Super Bowl!

[10DimeBry]

I give ZERO respect to manning until he wins a BIG GAME plain and simple. Is he a great QB yes, but quite frankly manning is the NFL's version of A-ROD!!!

[TheRook]

John i agree. You need a "Team" to win but i would bet ANY amount that without Brady, the Pats don't have 3, 2, or 1 Super Bowl!

Agreed 100%....but and this is my whole point...

Was it Brady and Brady only that WON The super bowl for New England?

[wayne1218]

And with that being said...I'm sure it slipped yoru mind that two of the offensive linemen went out with injuries in the first half and didn't return.


But I'm sure that has nothing to do with it.

I agree and that's what limited their adjustments. It wasn't Peyton's fault today. Yesterday, who knows. Today it was the O-Line!

[wayne1218]

I give ZERO respect to manning until he wins a BIG GAME plain and simple. Is he a great QB yes, but quite frankly manning is the NFL's version of A-ROD!!!

That was my EXACT point in post #72

[10DimeBry]

Agreed 100%....but and this is my whole point...

Was it Brady and Brady only that WON The super bowl for New England?

No but when O when will you finally put some of the blame on that choke artist manning???? its always someone elses fault. I cant wait til they lose in the playoffs when manning throws 2 or 3 ints and you all will be defending him yet again with the

its the O lines fault- card

or the ever popular, the D couldnt stop the other team- card.

its truely laughable

[kbsooner21]

What's laughable is your hate for Peyton. I don't like the colts or manning for that matter, but your hate for him is almost comical!

[TheRook]

So when manning and the colts drop 40 points on teams and are 13-0 all you here is manning this and manning that blah blah blah. They lose a game and it's not his fault that his offense could not put up more than 17 against a sub par D.

I don't hear that...and I certainly don't say that at all. I don't believe that one person makes or breaks a team...that's the whole point in this.

Look at the stats....their offense is doing LESS this year then in previous years.

and if your really watching, there is more talk about the Colts DEFENSE rather then peyton and the OFFENSE.

I'm just trying to get people to understand that football is not an individual sports and the ramifications of this loss should not be put on ANY one person.

The above statement holds for all wins as well. You win as a team and lose as a team....

[wayne1218]

No but when O when will you finally put some of the blame on that choke artist manning???? its always someone elses fault. I cant wait til they lose in the playoffs when manning throws 2 or 3 ints and you all will be defending him yet again with the

its the O lines fault- card

or the ever popular, the D couldnt stop the other team- card.

its truely laughable

If they lose this year only having to play 2 home games and a 3rd also in a dome to win it, i'll TOTALLY agree with you. It's time for him (in the playoffs) to win one on his own if he has to. Plain & simple!

[jcindaville]

HAHAHAHA

The Phins and their fans are happy! WOOO HOOOO!!!


I'm starting to think my Pats have a chance to go in there and steal one now!!! hahahahaha

Wayne, i can promise you this. NO 1 WANTS TO PLAY THEM IN THE PLAYOFFS

[10DimeBry]

What's laughable is your hate for Peyton. I don't like the colts or manning for that matter, but your hate for him is almost comical!

here is the truth.

I hate manning for one reason. He gets all the credit when the team wins, and gets NO credit when he chokes and throws 2-3 or 4 INT's and loses, its always someone elses fault. If your deserving of the credit in victory you should be able to take the criticism in return.

[TheRook]

No but when O when will you finally put some of the blame on that choke artist manning???? its always someone elses fault. I cant wait til they lose in the playoffs when manning throws 2 or 3 ints and you all will be defending him yet again with the

its the O lines fault- card

or the ever popular, the D couldnt stop the other team- card.

its truely laughable

Bryan, I will have ZERO problem letting you know when I feel someone has choked, even peyton manning.

When he LOSES the game for the Colts, I'll be the first one to tell you that you were right.

Just don't hold your breathe...cause the chances of ONE MAN single handedly losing a game for a team is rare in my book.

[TheRook]

here is the truth.

I hate manning for one reason. He gets all the credit when the team wins, and gets NO credit when he chokes and throws 2-3 or 4 INT's and loses, its always someone elses fault. If your deserving of the credit in victory you should be able to take the criticism in return.

THAT'S NOT TRUE!!!

The credit for the majority of the part has been the defense!!

The offense has not put up the same numbers.

Look at the stats...they are right there plain as day.

[JBC13]

I don't hear that...and I certainly don't say that at all. I don't believe that one person makes or breaks a team...that's the whole point in this.

Look at the stats....their offense is doing LESS this year then in previous years.

and if your really watching, there is more talk about the Colts DEFENSE rather then peyton and the OFFENSE.

I'm just trying to get people to understand that football is not an individual sports and the ramifications of this loss should not be put on ANY one person.

The above statement holds for all wins as well. You win as a team and lose as a team....

I know its a TEAM sport. But manning and the offense didnt get the job done against a D they should have man handled...plain and simple. I am done with this....have a good rest of the weekend everyone.

[TheRook]

If they lose this year only having to play 2 home games and a 3rd also in a dome to win it, i'll TOTALLY agree with you. It's time for him (in the playoffs) to win one on his own if he has to. Plain & simple!

I agree with that. All the pieces are in place. If they don't make it to the Super Bowl with having 2 home games, then yes....I will have a different view.

I just can't have that view in a game where nothing has changed in the playoff picture.