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  • The Black Marble Theory (was: Don't buy that 1/2 point)

    Ok.....I see that despite my attempts to explain to youse people why it is mathmatically unsoud to buy a 1/2 point, that I'm not getting through!!! Even Kaptain, someone whose handicapping skills I have great respect for, insists on using the "Well, it saved me many times" argument.

    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhh h!!!!!!

    Look, I'm going to give you an example of exactly WHY it is the wrong thing to do, then I'll move on to the next lesson , lol....:christmas

    Let's say I've got a big jar here with 100 marble in it, 55 white, and 45 black. I offer you to stick your hand in the jar without looking and take out ONE marble. You can bet me any amount of money you want....if you pull a white marble, you win.....a black one, I win. The payoff is even money. I hope there is NOBODY reading this that doesn't appreciate that you would be onto a GREAT situation....a 55% chance of winning, with an even money payoff. Who wouldn't love THAT.

    But wait, over here I have another jar, and this one has 100 marbles, but 55 are black and only 45 are white. But it's a much prettier jar....all covered in flashy, shiny decorations. You say....well.....I like the second jar better....it makes me feel good...look how much nicer it is that the first jar...I'll draw the marble out of jar #2 instead of the first one.

    Now again.....nobody could possibly believe that this would be an intelligent choice...or that you would do anything other than go broke if you repeated this silly mistake enough times. Winning 45 out of 100 will kill your bankroll off REAL fast.

    Now....what I've been trying to tell you is this: WHEN YOU BUY A 1/2 POINT AND ARE CHARGED -120, YOU HAVE VOLUNTARILY DECIDED TO STICK YOUR PAW INTO THE SECOND JAR!!. You have the worst of it, and the bookie has 55 marbles in his favor to your 45.

    And the fact that you may HAPPEN to pull out a white one on this pull, or the next one...or on ANY pull...means exactly 2/3 of nothing!!! You are making a bonehead gamble letting the bookie give you the jar with 55 black marbles, and if you happen to pull out the white one you have STILL made a bonehead play. I had a guy at a blackjack table double down on a *hard 12*..a ten and a two. Before I could even recover my senses he drew an 8 and won. He wouldn't listen to ANYONE when we tried to tell him that he was giving money away by doing that....."I won the hand, so how can you tell me it was the wrong thing to do?". Aaaaaarrrrrhhhggghhhh


    I know that there are some great handicappers here who make this mistake...but being a great handicapper doesn't mean that you must be an expert on applied math and statistics. So if you don't believe me, get yourself a database of the last 20 years NFL games, and test it yourself to see what happens when you pay that extra juice to buy 1/2 point. You'll quickly see that you're sticking your hand into a jar designed for suckers. Do you think the bookie gives you those OH-so convenient little drop-down boxes that let you buy points because it's a good deal for you?

    Exactly.


    When I have a bit of time....the next lesson: How trends can kill your bankroll. :uzi:

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    Got any picks to go with your lessons?
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    • #3
      i think Frank showed a stat a year ago or so that proved it is not beneficial to buy the hook

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      • #4
        I do agree London

        I personally don't buy points, but I won't argue with anyone who does buy off the 3 in football either way. There are times that I have lost by the hook, but that's life. If you buy points all the time, in the long run you will lose money with the extra juice. I think of it like blackjack offering insurance when dealer has an ace showing, they don't offer this unless they make money.
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        NBA 35-33 -.22 units
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        • #5
          Stop being obnoxious and maybe someone might pay attention to you.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by rented mule
            Stop being obnoxious and maybe someone might pay attention to you.
            hahahhahahha that's what I was thinkin.

            Why in the hell does this dead horse need to be beat this bad??
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            • #7
              I for one appreciate the dialogue on betting ideology. My experience ****** one year and the desire to grab a half point is a strong part of what I tend to cover. If the math is there to prove otherwise- I will listen and make up my mind. I still do not feel convinced given the explanation. If Frank also has had similar feelings on it- I am listening. Thanx for sharing.
              "The range of what we think and do is limited by what we fail to notice.

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              • #8
                London-
                I am new here also. Don't let people giving you a hard time get to you...the way I see it you are trying to do what this forum is intended for...helping people out! (especially new players).

                Forums are for sharing information. I also never buy half a point. It looks nice, but in the long run will kill you. If you have a strong opinion on a game you should not need to buy any points. I despise when people have a 'huge game' and then they bu points. Good luck to you.

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                • #9
                  Here is the post by Frank that RJ was refering to.....

                  http://www.bettorschat.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=41679

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by scottya
                    London-
                    I am new here also. Don't let people giving you a hard time get to you...the way I see it you are trying to do what this forum is intended for...helping people out! (especially new players).

                    Forums are for sharing information. I also never buy half a point. It looks nice, but in the long run will kill you. If you have a strong opinion on a game you should not need to buy any points. I despise when people have a 'huge game' and then they bu points. Good luck to you.
                    I'm not giving anyone a hard time beacuse they're new. I'm just suggesting that he tone it down a bit. Anyone who needs to post two threads on the same topic, in the same day, is begging for attention, in my opinion.

                    It's a good topic, but it's a busy college football Saturday and most board members are more interested in what games they are playing today.
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                    • #11
                      London-as much as I respect your views, you didn't give an answer to what I posed in your original thread as to why it is ok to lay -350 or more on favorites sometimes but why it is NOT ok sometimes to buy 1/2 points, and to which is worse if you do it on a regular basis.
                      If your answer is that you know when and under what circumstances you can lay -350 or more on a favorite, then I can tell you the same that some of us have the intuition to know when it it and when it is a not good idea to buy 1/2 points;it cuts both ways.
                      Last edited by savage1; 11-01-2005, 12:20 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Hiya Guys

                        Again this all points to the importance of having multiple outs to do business with. Why buy a 2 in the NBA ( the most important # , especially in the 2nd half of the season when the lines get sharper ) when someone else has the 2 waiting for you ?

                        Also , please negotiate with your outs ... All good customers get perks ... don't be shy.

                        JMO but it works for me

                        -cb

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Press Coverage
                          Here is the post by Frank that RJ was refering to.....

                          http://www.bettorschat.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=41679
                          Press, thanks for posting that thread.

                          Let me add in college football ALL buys are a poor investment. Even off and on 3.

                          As I stated in my NBA thread never buy 1/2 points in the NBA. The only time I do so is at Pinny because I can buy a 1/2 point and still lay -110 or less.

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                          • #14
                            london, great thread. This is something I've often preached. Sport bettors need to learn how to accept 1/2 point loses. It happens. Move on. It blows my mind on what number some guys buy the hook. I've seen a member buy the hook on 28.5 in college.

                            In college I also often see bettors buy off -7.5 and -14.5. Both are poor investment.

                            One correction in your original post in this thread. Most offshore houses now charge -130 to buy on or off 3.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by PhilJr
                              Got any picks to go with your lessons?




                              I could use a winner
                              1*=$50

                              Crusader MM starting qb at Oregon

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