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  • #46
    Savage1: This is not meant to be offensive, but it seems to me that you are overanalyzing this too much.

    Non-criminal lawsuits are always based on a complaint. The complaint must allege at least one "cause of action." That's the ultimate threshold question...if you have no valid cause of action, your case will be thrown out. A cause of action is the legal basis by which a plaintiff can sue the defendent.

    In this case, the cause of action is copyright law. Under US copyright law, one can get a copyright for any "original" work regardless of content, assuming it doesn't offend some other preemptive Federal law, such as national security. So any suit about a gambling book under copyright law is purely about the copyright violation. It is not a statement of the legality of the content of the copyrighted material.

    The example you mention regarding providing false or mispresenting pick is covered under most states' consumer law statutes. Please note this is generally irrelevent to the issue of copyright law.

    In the example you mention, there is already a cause of action available. In many states, the threshold question would be whether an ordinary, reasonable person would believe the paid pick to be "mere puffery" or a "representation of fact."

    For example, there is a difference between saying "this is a fantastic car that runs great" and saying "this car has never been into an accident" (when it actually was in an accident.) One is a typical salesman exaggeration tactic, and the other is a clear misrepresentation of fact that may induce the buyer to purchase on the basis of such statement.

    The question of mere puffery or representation of fact is left for the judge or jury.

    Anyway, I hope this helps.

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    • #47
      its a well known fact animal doesnt want his plays being posted on this forum...thanks to his buddy at the other site SPARK...he no longer has to worry about them being posted over there anymore...only problem is 98% of their memebers left (except for a small click of posters, which is all they have over there) and came here....

      he has already threatened if he finds out any of his members are redistributing his plays, he will end their service and keep their money...nice try...but that wont work...why b/c of email....all one has to do is email it to a friend...and they post them up....there's no way he can find out who is releasing his plays...bottom line is he is losing money...all these services are and they are becoming desperate to stop it, so they threaten litigation...

      the one service who hasnt done a thing is northcoast...they have almost become resigned to the fact their plays are gonna be plastered everywhere for FREE....thats why i feel phil steele could care less if he goes 5-0 or 0-5 anymore...since these service plays have exploded online...he has not had a really good season, like he used to...
      the original "HuskerFan"

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      • #48
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        the original "HuskerFan"

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        • #49
          Sosodef76-Thanks for the legal explanation;I understand it better now.
          I guess logic does not always prevail in legal matters.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Intraware1
            its a well known fact animal doesnt want his plays being posted on this forum...thanks to his buddy at the other site SPARK...he no longer has to worry about them being posted over there anymore...only problem is 98% of their memebers left (except for a small click of posters, which is all they have over there) and came here....

            he has already threatened if he finds out any of his members are redistributing his plays, he will end their service and keep their money...nice try...but that wont work...why b/c of email....all one has to do is email it to a friend...and they post them up....there's no way he can find out who is releasing his plays...bottom line is he is losing money...all these services are and they are becoming desperate to stop it, so they threaten litigation...

            the one service who hasnt done a thing is northcoast...they have almost become resigned to the fact their plays are gonna be plastered everywhere for FREE....thats why i feel phil steele could care less if he goes 5-0 or 0-5 anymore...since these service plays have exploded online...he has not had a really good season, like he used to...
            What are you talking about???

            True, Animal and I conversed a few times over there.... True, Animal hates when his plays are posted....

            I do not understand the rest of your post... thanks to me what???

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            • #51
              Not true about Northcoast

              They threatened to sue me for posting their plays on another site.

              Told them I didn't subscribe to their service and I was reposting off a public chatboard so I considered it "public domain."

              I ddin't hear anything else from them.

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              • #52
                From what I can glean from those who have offered legal opinions. it would appear that a sports service might have a better chance if it sued over having their entire writeups posted without its permission as opposed to having only its picks posted, as it is not against the law to copywrite the names of teams.
                Could one of those who has posted a legal opinion up to now or who has one please tell me if my thinking is correct here.i

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                • #53
                  A write up on a game is like original work as where trying to copyright a NFL or Collegiate team name is not allowed. If the NFL or the College's wanted to they could start filing lawsuits against the handicappers since they are using the team names. Plus they are trying to say that they are copyright protected which is BS. I would like 1 handicapper to show me documentation from the Federal Copyright office stating that they have the rights to Copyright a sports team either NFL or Collegiate.

                  As for filing a lawsuit against services that could be done if it the plays caused harm, damage, lost money etc. Plantiffs would stand a better chance though doing this with a Class Action Suit.

                  Opinions cannot be Copyright protected either.
                  Handicappers also cannot single out people/sites for a lawsuit as they must include all of them. Meaning include all sites that they know are putting out their plays.

                  If Duffy want's an end he needs to first contact his paid customers. Second he needs to contact all consensus sites. I wonder why he hasn't did that......hmmm

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                  • #54
                    Intraware1

                    it has always been the policy of the other site that spark post on..for posters not to post plays from forum sponsors...I know for a fact as I did it once by mistake and was warned about posting site sponsors plays
                    GLTA

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                    • #55
                      thats why i stopped posting my system plays there,at the other site. every poster is a sponsor it seems. i try to stay away from those forums. though i must admit the mods there were very classy guys,spark included. on a more interesting note,since were talking about service plays, has anyone taken notice how hard it is to get brian macs group the past couple of months?i think he found out whos been posting his group and secretly put a stop to it.however he doesnt mind posting every other service on his free line,which by the way if anyone has ever seen his internet report woul say it is ACCURATE and the only way to get his groups plays as well as some of his clients on a regular basis.as soon as these plays start getting posted,someone runs back to him tells him and then it stops every time at every forum ive been to. hence the underground forums that are private,you can only get on by invitation. cant put a stop to that. bol soory for ranting

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                      • #56
                        Nothing to say.
                        Last edited by ChuckLazar; 09-12-2004, 01:52 PM.

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                        • #57
                          wiseguy sports

                          is this putz threatening me? encourages posting of service plays at his site but gets his panties tied in a knot when his plays are posted elsewhere....too funny

                          Friday & Saturday
                          Florida St +2...5 Units
                          Notre Dame +13...7 Units
                          South Carolina +8...5 Units
                          Utah -13...5 Units
                          Texas -10.5...5 Units
                          Ohio U +17.5...5 Units
                          ***Final Report Saturday @11 AM Est***
                          ***I know who is posting the picks on the other site...STOP NOW or else Its your fuckin ass***
                          Only warning you get JACKOFF

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                          • #58
                            Re: wiseguy sports

                            Originally posted by snowballpete
                            is this putz threatening me? encourages posting of service plays at his site but gets his panties tied in a knot when his plays are posted elsewhere....too funny

                            Friday & Saturday
                            Florida St +2...5 Units
                            Notre Dame +13...7 Units
                            South Carolina +8...5 Units
                            Utah -13...5 Units
                            Texas -10.5...5 Units
                            Ohio U +17.5...5 Units
                            ***Final Report Saturday @11 AM Est***
                            ***I know who is posting the picks on the other site...STOP NOW or else Its your fuckin ass***
                            Only warning you get JACKOFF
                            Welcome to it pete... It will happen all year to you...

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                            • #59
                              dear mr. dumby, i mean duffy:

                              how embarassingly stupid you are to threaten legal action for someone posting sports plays on the internet. if you continue to send me e-mails i may have to seek monetary compensation for being forced to read your moronic messages. let me put this a little more clearly in case you are missing the point:

                              YOU ARE GAMBLING ON THE INTERNET BONEHEAD WHICH IS BARELY "LEGAL" IN THE FIRST PLACE...COMPRENDE?

                              your friend,

                              monte
                              Last edited by meteor; 09-12-2004, 02:27 AM.

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