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[frankb03]

NSA

Thanks to Sonicfan for posting NSA selections.

To prove we are fair and balanced (I sound like Bill O'Reilly)

NSA has been very impressive. Their overall record is average 57%. However, if we use a 2-5% money management system all gamblers should adhere to you'd be doing very well playing NSA selections. I re-classed NSA 20* selections as 5*, 10* as 4*, 5* as 3* and 2* remained 2*. No gamblers should play 20% of their bankroll on a single selection.

NSA record as follows:

5* 7-3 +20 Units
4* 13-8 +20 Units
3* 10-5 +15 Units
2* 1-7 -12 Units

Total 31-23 +43 Units

A $100 per unit play would be up $3540.

Their record is from 1/1/04 it does not include their selections from 1/2/04. Their selections for that date were not posted.

[savage1]

It is too bad that NSA has to spoil their creditability sometimes by hyping those questionable system plays too ofter and by having a game of the something just about every day of the year.
Let their record speak for themselves;if they are good, people will find out.

[MtrCtyPimp]

Psychic Sports is QUALITY when it comes to their 4 and 5 unit plays in HOOPS & FOOTBALL

they are 64-22 in their last 86 such plays and I can vouch for all 86 of them

they have also yet to lose a single 5 unit play this year going 8-0 I believe and 28-4 last 32.

they post this on their site and do not LIE or make excuses. When they lose they come right out and chalk up the L

thats actually the only service I will ever pay a single penny 2 and he only charges a mere $12 per card on gameday of these such plays

very credible, I know I can also get his plays for FREE in the SERVICES section but for all he does I truly feel he deserves my $12

Just my 2 cents

PEACE

[frankb03]

covrsexperts

Tom Freese had a selection on Princeton over Minnesota. Larry Ness had a selection on Minnesota. Both sell their guaranteed selections at covrsexperts. Minnesota won the game by 4 as 4.5 favorites. I was very curious how ************* would rate the 2 selections. To their credit they scored a win for Freese and a loss for Ness.

At that site I've seen them rate Pushes as Wins and Losses as Pushes.

[savage1]

Frank-Maybe at some time we should have a poll question asking whether it is ethical if say a service like Feist or the Green Machine, which has a number of handicappers puts out out equally big plays on different sides in the same game.
Obviously, everyone has a right to an opinion, but to me it smells fishy and almost contrived when one member of the service has a big lock on St. Louis(using yesterday) and someone of the sameservice has just as big a play on Carolina.
Obviously if they were not all members of the service and were independent, there is no problem.
However, as stated before, I liken this to going to an investment firm and one of partners buys you shares in say Home Depot.
On the same day the other partner shorts the same stock(bets on it going down).
Above is exaggerated, but I feel there should be some consistency within the service, and if say 80% of cappers in the service cannot agree on the side of a game, neither side should be given out as a big play at least. jmho.
Otherwise, it sounds to me that service is just protecting itself to ensure that someone will win and sign up for thre next day. jmho.
I was really amused recently when one of cappers at Big Green Machine had a 20 million start lock in bowl games on Michigan St., and another member of the service had a 100 million star lock on Nebraska;to me that is absurd.
I would really like to see if folks agree with me or not.

[frankb03]

Savage

I'd have to ASSume the overwhelming majority would have to agree. Maybe, Wayne or Bettorschat can post a sticky polling that question.

I have a serious problem with it. I don't think there's any doubt that services such as Root and Feist intentionally give out both sides of the game.

************* is a good site for info. However, far too often their experts give out opposing picks. It's a major problem at a site like covrsexperts. What happens when a customer buys 2 picks on the same game with opposing picks?

[MikeSchmidt20]

Frank --

Looks like you have jumped off the Al McMordie bandwagon.

Don't tell me his less-than-stellar bowl season turned you against him.

As for NBA, would you feel better if he forced a few plays on a card where he felt there was nothing worth wagering on? He is a system handicapper, there were no system plays, what's the problem?

BTW, I have posted several times here that I do NOT recommend betting his NBA plays. After football, stick with college hoops only, especially his NCAA & NIT tournament plays, which have done very well the last few years.

If you have concerns about his service there is contact info on his website.

Good luck,
"Mike"

[frankb03]

Mike

I'd be the first to admit I was looking for Big Al's bowl selections. I don't handicap college sports. Too many games! Too many teams. I was misinformed like many members are. Which is one of the purposes of this thread.

Honestly, I initially came to this sight like so many do looking for service selections. Being here for about a month has been eye-opening. Seeing the daily selections of services being posted makes one realize how bad they are. On a daily basis the service request thread gets an incredible amount of 'hits', yesterday almost 20,000. Most of the service 'begging' comes from newbies. Members who've been around here know the quality of the service selections.

Regarding, his NBA selections or lack of. I agree I'd rather have a capper not release any selections. I think you'd have to admit most cappers would release anything instead of nothing.

To Big Al's credit if you send him email he's very likely to respond.

[wrightmove]

before i give my take this thread is great. i don't know if it will change anything with the service clowns but i think we need to keep voicing our opinions.

if i can locate my sheet i can post roots games for the past 2 years. i bought the service just for the hell of it to see what it was going to do. root was actually pretty solid before he became a gazillionare so i went in blind thinking the service was probably the same as in the past. i expressed my intention to give me only the big plays and from what i understood that is what i was getting. the service guys even told me to ignore chairmans plays, millionare, insiders edge plays taht they were not solid plays at all and were for the general public fools. i was getting the "direct line plays" straight from a vice president of the board. i knew it was bullshit but i played along...after the first 2 weeks of losers i get a call from randy white sports. randy must have had the opposite side of the games root was on and they wanted to cash in on my disust thinking i would switch. i toughed it out with root playing just the bigger games which didn't end up being bad but just like any service the record for the year was just above 50%. if i could bet his percentange for all of his plays, most of which i was told to ignore, i would be a millionare. 3-0 early would mean 0-3 on the later games. he was rarely above 50% on all games.
bottom line is we should all be using these games as references. so what if root has info on a game. i have info on games too. the only difference between these guys and all of us is that they charge for their plays, they lie, and this is the best, "never live in the past and always look to the next day." this holds true especially when these lose. for example go to roots site and read his chairmans selection blurb. 63 outright dogs or some shit. that is an outright lie but i guess he can get away with it. i will look for my sheet and post if i find it...

[wrightmove]

frank

i agree...i wish more services would pass every no and then a stop giving you the board to bet. my feelings are good services pass from time to time. services like fiest and root that have a play everyday no matter what the sport is makes me wonder how much money these guys are making off, for the most part, guesses.

[frankb03]

Marc 'I really suck' Lawrence

Marc, had 2 more GOS losers yesterday. His COLLEGE HOOPS UNDERDOG GAME OF THE MONTH play was on Michigan St, a loser. ************ posted a selection on Wisconsin.

Marc's, NFL PERFECT SYSTEM PLAYOFF GAME OF THE YEAR was on the Rams. Another LOSER. Part of Marc's reasoning:

Road teams in the NFL playoffs, off a SU & ATS win, are 2-16 ATS if they were a losing team last year, including 0-10 ATS if they are off BB SU & ATS wins.

What does the Panthers record last season have to do with yesterday's playoff game?

FYI! It would have cost you $85 for those 2 quality selections.

Carlo Campanella lost another GOY on the 76ers. He did win a GOM on the Panthers. He has a NFC PLAYOFF GAME OF THE YEAR going today. This guy has a GOS EVERYDAY.

Speaking of Big Al, he split his NFL selections. He won his Big East conference GOM on Miami U. He lost his NBA selection on the Atlanta Hawks. To his credit it wasn't a GOS.

[frankb03]

wrightmove

Thanks for the post on Root. He's probably one of the most popular touts. He's also probably the biggest fucking criminal.

I'd love to follow his selection. They don't get posted here on a regular basis.

By the way I sent email to Marc Lawrence 3 days ago expressing interest in his late phone service. In my email I requested his YTD record in the NBA and College BB. I've yet to receive a response.

[BiloxiUMreb]

Added to my thread of yesterday...EXEC

I mentioned a few reliable services in my post here of yesterday. The most reliable, as I stated, is Executive Sportsline. He hit again yesterday with TENN 400% (250%-650%) to run his record on the playoffes to 4-0. IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, I will post his Sunday plays on the services thread at or near 11:45 Central.

tm

[frankb03]

BiloxiUMreb

Thanks for the post. It's obviously as important to name the good services that win money as it is to name the scammers. I for one will keep an eye out for their selections.

As I posted in the service thread thanks for the next name for this thread. Service Assasination thread.

[GoBrownies]

I will add to this, the only two services I look at are Psychic for their big plays, and Sportwizards. Sportwizards college hoops picks are the best ive seen from any service so far, and they win money in every sport.