Breaking News: Farve Meeting with the Vikings

[mavskidd02]

Where did I blame Favre? The whole team stunk and he stunk the worst. Ane expectations for the Jets last year were VERY high....playoffs in fact!

No I am saying a lot of people say Favre has lost it because of the way the end of the season transpired. But they are quick to forget the 8-3 start. That is all I was saying in terms of the media, and the public's view on how he has "lost it."

[BearDown]

This must mean that Madden is coming back as well?

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[frankb03]

Funniest thing I've ever heard...... Why is Favre shafted when the lose 4 of their last 5???? Why is it SOLELY his fault. You don't hear about those guys when they go 8-3, and you don't hear about them when they crash and burn. So, in terms of the media's view on Favre last year. YES! I discount the 200+ million dollars in other guys.

It wasn't solely his fault. However, he shoulders (no pun intended) the majority of the blame. He was terrible. Early in the season he and the Jets were getting away with some awful INTs. After his week 4 performance vs Cards, where he threw for 6 TDs, the remainder of the season he threw 18 INTs and 10 TD. Whose to blame?

[mavskidd02]

It wasn't solely his fault. However, he shoulders (no pun intended) the majority of the blame. He was terrible. Early in the season he and the Jets were getting away with some awful INTs. After his week 4 performance vs Cards, where he threw for 6 TDs, the remainder of the season he threw 18 INTs and 10 TD. Whose to blame?

My point was, as I said above, if you want to blame him for the losses, credit him for the wins. If you want the other guys to get credit as well for the wins, then credit them with the losses as well. I find it stupid in a "team sport", when the TEAM is responsible for all the wins, but an individual takes the heat for all the losses.

When you put the statistics like that, sure it all looks Favre's fault. The stats also show that Favre threw 22 picks in 522 attempts. Which comes out to 1 interception every 25 attempts. Which isn't great but in the long run and all things considered isn't "awful" or "terrible"

[frankb03]

My point was, as I said above, if you want to blame him for the losses, credit him for the wins. If you want the other guys to get credit as well for the wins, then credit them with the losses as well. I find it stupid in a "team sport", when the TEAM is responsible for all the wins, but an individual takes the heat for all the losses.

I agree. Credit and blame often needs to be spread. Statistically, in football INT are one of the most tell tale stats determining whether a team wins or loses. It's not turnover. Fumbles lost are random. INTs are a win killer. Some of his passes last year were awful. Passes that a 20 year vet shouldn't throw.

[poskid]

I agree. Credit and blame often needs to be spread. Statistically, in football INT are one of the most tell tale stats determining whether a team wins or loses. It's not turnover. Fumbles lost are random. INTs are a win killer. Some of his passes last year were awful. Passes that a 20 year vet shouldn't throw.

Some of those passes were passes that this particular 20 year vet has been throwing for his entire career. If the Jets didnt understand that before they signed him then they were the biggest bunch of morons in professional football. The guy isnt the career leader in INT's thrown for nothing.

PK

[videoman]

retire, unretire, retire, unretire, retire, unretire, I can't keep up!! He has totally ruined his rep. Now he just looks like a dickhead. I have always put him in the Joe Montana, John Elway, Bart Starr category but not any more. I agree that I looked forward to seeing him on Sundays, but now all I see is a flake. What a shame......

[frankb03]

Favre lost four of his final five starts last season, 3 at home, throwing nine interceptions, two touchdowns, with a passer rating of 55.4. In those 5 games only 1 team, Miami had a winning record.

He's turning 40 in October. That's not the QB I want leading my team.

Incidentally, The Viking under T Jackson won 3 of their last 4 games including 3 vs playoff teams. His QB rating for those 4 games was 115 with 8 TDs and 1 INT.

[mavskidd02]

Favre lost four of his final five starts last season, 3 at home, throwing nine interceptions, two touchdowns, with a passer rating of 55.4. In those 5 games only 1 team, Miami had a winning record.

He's turning 40 in October. That's not the QB I want leading my team.

Incidentally, The Viking under T Jackson won 3 of their last 4 games including 3 vs playoff teams. His QB rating for those 4 games was 115 with 8 TDs and 1 INT.

Frank, the stats are all great when you pick and choose here and there. The fact of the matter is Favre is a winner, a proven winner, who year before last won 13 regular season games. He played under injury those last five games and the whole world is aware of that. He was injured and still played, and to me that IS the man I want leading my team.

He loves the game, plays with passion, and is nothing but a winner year in and year out. He took a 4 win team to a 9 win team. And without him, a 13 win team became a 6 win team. Seems to me like he is doing something right.

[Three Jack]

So you want to give him all the credit for taking the team from 4 wins to 9 and for his former team tanking, but don't want to call him on the carpet for being AWFUL the last 7 games of the year and being completely inept? How does that work?

Bottom line...Jets were supposed to make the playoffs before the year started...they didn't. The QB , because of the nature of the job, gets most of the blame just as he would have gotten most of the credit (like he did when they got off to their hot start).

I used to like the guy. I am sick of hearing about him and part of it isn't his fault. I hope he comes back and I hope Minny goes 5-11. He came out this week and made it clear the ONLY reason he came back was to prove the GM of the Packers wrong and all he did was prove him right. The Pack would have been no better with Favre and, imo, would have been worse with him than Rogers.

[mavskidd02]

So you want to give him all the credit for taking the team from 4 wins to 9 and for his former team tanking, but don't want to call him on the carpet for being AWFUL the last 7 games of the year and being completely inept? How does that work?

Bottom line...Jets were supposed to make the playoffs before the year started...they didn't. The QB , because of the nature of the job, gets most of the blame just as he would have gotten most of the credit (like he did when they got off to their hot start).

I used to like the guy. I am sick of hearing about him and part of it isn't his fault. I hope he comes back and I hope Minny goes 5-11. He came out this week and made it clear the ONLY reason he came back was to prove the GM of the Packers wrong and all he did was prove him right. The Pack would have been no better with Favre and, imo, would have been worse with him than Rogers.

Last 7 games of the season it is a FACT that he played with shoulder problems and a torn bicep. Is that all made up? Shit no. His play declined with injury. Sue him.

He wants to come back SOLELY to prove the Packers wrong??? If you think that is his only motive for still playing football..... let me know. And I will tell you you're crazy.

"The Pack would have been no better with Favre and, imo, would have been worse with him than Rogers."
- That is so ridiculous it's beyond belief. A veteran QB, who went 13-3 the year before would have tanked the next year and did no better than 6-10?? Are you kidding me??

[Three Jack]

"The Pack would have been no better with Favre and, imo, would have been worse with him than Rogers."[/B]
- That is so ridiculous it's beyond belief. A veteran QB, who went 13-3 the year before would have tanked the next year and did no better than 6-10?? Are you kidding me??

Mavs, you tell Wayne that being a winner shouldn't matter when calling someone 'great' and use Trent Dilfer as your argument and then you want to use a TEAM record to tell me who the better QB was? So Tavaris Jackson and Gus Frerotte were better than Favre? Better than Brees? They made the playoffs and had a better record...so just following your (ill)logic.

The facts are 28/13 versus 22/22 (TD's to INT's) AND the Jets had a far superior running game (5th in the league versus 17). Rogers was the better QB, the Jets were a better team. Perhaps that had something to do with their terrible defense and not their offense?

[Three Jack]

He wants to come back SOLELY to prove the Packers wrong??? If you think that is his only motive for still playing football..... let me know. And I will tell you you're crazy.
[B]

Perhaps I am not the one who is crazy...from an article on ESPN....

Favre admitted to ESPN that he was motivated to play in 2008 largely because of his resentment toward Packers general manager Ted Thompson.

[Three Jack]

Mavs, I appreciate your enthusiasm and fanatacism towards Favre....it is admirable (I think) and it makes it fun debating these type of issues and it is what makes sports great. We can debate this stuff until we are 80 and we will never know the answers.