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Originally posted by wayne1218
Doc i have no problem with the fist pump. I also have no problem with Manny standing at the plate and watching a ball. If it is caught or in play and he only gets a single out of what should have been a double, than that's a fuck up on his part, plain and simple. I have no problem with Chad Johnson or T.O. celebrating either. I hate that the NFL got rid of the team celebrations in the end zone after a score like the Redskins used to do years ago. I really don't have a problem with any of it and i know i'm in the minority.
I'm so sick of the "Typical" response of "Showing up the other team" or "Respect your opponent". I swear, old timers are the worst on this subject because they are hard headed and refuse to change their thought process on it. Back in the day, that's how it was. Well, people didn't get pregnant out of wed lock or live together before marriage either. Shit changes with the times and in the world of ESPN, Internet and a million others covering these events, it is looked at much differently. I have no problem with a Tomlinson handing the ball to the ref or Brian Westbrook dropping before the goal line to respect the opponent too. That is great and they are great players. Each player/person is different and that is what makes each game so unique.
I think alot of guys use the same programmed response they have heard for years of it's disrespectful but they are the same guys who laugh when T.O. grabs the Pom-Poms or something else. People love watching to see what's next and most are scared to admit it. I laugh my ass off at them and that includes Manny. I shake my head but i don't hate him for it. I don't hate Joba for it either and even though i'm not a T.O. fan, i used to love seeing the things he did.
It is a new era in sports and it is commercialized. That's just how it is. Old school says respect the opponent and (IMO), new school says if you don't like it, stop them. Don't strikeout, don't let a guy burn you for a TD and don't give up a moon shot to a hitter. I played baseball and football when i was younger and i loved the emotion and celebrations when things were going our way. It was awesome. I also watched the other teams celebrate often and it never pissed me off but it did motivate us not to let it happen again because we wanted what they had.
I know it is a long response but these things are talked about often here in "In game threads" and such. Everybody wants to suck the fun out of every spoort these days and as annoying as it is for them, it is twice as annoying for me to watch them laugh 1st and criticize 2nd.
I'm so sick of the "Typical" response of "Showing up the other team" or "Respect your opponent". I swear, old timers are the worst on this subject because they are hard headed and refuse to change their thought process on it. Back in the day, that's how it was. Well, people didn't get pregnant out of wed lock or live together before marriage either. Shit changes with the times and in the world of ESPN, Internet and a million others covering these events, it is looked at much differently. I have no problem with a Tomlinson handing the ball to the ref or Brian Westbrook dropping before the goal line to respect the opponent too. That is great and they are great players. Each player/person is different and that is what makes each game so unique.
I think alot of guys use the same programmed response they have heard for years of it's disrespectful but they are the same guys who laugh when T.O. grabs the Pom-Poms or something else. People love watching to see what's next and most are scared to admit it. I laugh my ass off at them and that includes Manny. I shake my head but i don't hate him for it. I don't hate Joba for it either and even though i'm not a T.O. fan, i used to love seeing the things he did.
It is a new era in sports and it is commercialized. That's just how it is. Old school says respect the opponent and (IMO), new school says if you don't like it, stop them. Don't strikeout, don't let a guy burn you for a TD and don't give up a moon shot to a hitter. I played baseball and football when i was younger and i loved the emotion and celebrations when things were going our way. It was awesome. I also watched the other teams celebrate often and it never pissed me off but it did motivate us not to let it happen again because we wanted what they had.
I know it is a long response but these things are talked about often here in "In game threads" and such. Everybody wants to suck the fun out of every spoort these days and as annoying as it is for them, it is twice as annoying for me to watch them laugh 1st and criticize 2nd.
The NFL by far is the worse in the area of "celebrating." I think, for the most part, the 80K + people in the stands every Sunday want to be entertained. They want to see lots of scoring, and they want to see the celebrating after the score.
I can agree that some take it too far. But to throw a flag when a player spikes the ball after a TD is just taking it too far. Now I don't mind them throwing a flag if players start putting on a mini halftime show, or anything that takes considerable time away from the game.
Sports is just not the same, and it's a shame, especially for the price you pay to see the games live, or to get the NFL packages on TV.
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