Bulls-cavs Trade

[GOLDENGREEK]

I watch a shitload of NBA basketball but i guess i need to watch more. When healthy, Hughes isn't nearly as bad as you guys make him out to be. There are many, many, more players in this league who are worse then him right now. He has always been a very good defensive player and in his last 10 games he has been healthy and averaging 20 ppg, 4.6 rebounds, 2.5 assists and 1.1 steals pg.

I would take him on my team over the "Stiffs" Cleveland got in return. The Cavs needed more scoring to go with Lebron and they just gave up a guy who has scored DD in 10 straight, is averaging 20 ppg in that stretch and even dropped a 40 point game in there and he plays defense. I've seen plenty of West and Wally in Boston and neither does anything for me. Big Ben can't score either so wtf?

Bad trade for the Cavs here and their team just got older, slower, and less potent on offense (IMO).

WAYNE FIRST OFF - IM NOT SAYING IT WAS A GOOD TRADE FOR THE CAVS -- THE GOT BEN WALLACE FOR CHRIST SAKES

BUT HUGHES IS A HORRIBLE SHOOTER-- I DONT KNOW WHERE YOU GET THAT GOOD "D" STUFF FROM EITHER



HE IS A CARRER 41 % SHOOTER !!!!!!!!!


37.7 % THIS YEAR


I KNOW THIS WONT SHOW UP WELL ON HERE BUT I WILL HIGHLIGHT SOME IMPORTANT NUMBERS ( FG SHOOTING)





LARRY HUGHES CARRER STATS




1998-99 -PHI 50 19:48 3.4 8.3 41.1 0.2 1.0 15.4 2.1 3.0 70.9 1.7 2.1 3.8 1.5 1.4 0.9 0.3 1.9 9.1


1999-00 -PHI 50 20:23 3.8 9.2 41.7 0.2 1.0 21.6 2.1 2.8 74.7 1.0 2.1 3.2 1.5 1.9 1.1 0.2 1.9 10.0


1999-00 -GS 32 40:47 8.3 21.4 38.9 0.6 2.3 24.3 5.4 7.3 73.6 1.9 4.0 5.9 4.1 3.1 1.9 0.5 3.0 22.7
2000-01 -GS 50 36:53 6.2 16.1 38.3 0.3 1.5 18.7 3.9 5.0 76.6 1.5 4.0 5.5 4.5 3.0 1.9 0.6 2.9 16.5
2001-02 -GS 73 28:06 4.7 11.1 42.4 0.3 1.3 19.4 2.6 3.6 73.8 1.1 2.2 3.4 4.3 2.3 1.6 0.3 2.1 12.3
2002-03 -WAS 67 31:53 5.2 11.1 46.7 0.4 1.2 36.7 2.0 2.8 73.1 1.0 3.6 4.6 3.1 2.0 1.3 0.4 2.2 12.8
2003-04 -WAS 61 33:47 6.6 16.5 39.7 1.3 3.8 34.1 4.4 5.5 79.7 1.6 3.8 5.3 2.4 2.5 1.6 0.4 2.4 18.8
2004-05 -WAS 61 38:42 7.7 17.8 43.0 1.0 3.4 28.2 5.8 7.4 77.7 1.2 5.1 6.3 4.7 2.5 2.9 0.3 2.8 22.1
2005-06 -CLE 36 35:36 5.3 13.0 40.9 0.8 2.1 36.8 4.1 5.4 75.7 0.7 3.8 4.5 3.6 2.8 1.5 0.6 3.3 15.5
2006-07 -CLE 70 37:06 5.4 13.6 40.0 1.1 3.2 33.3 3.0 4.4 67.6 0.6 3.2 3.8 3.7 2.2 1.3 0.4 2.3 14.9
2007-08 -CLE 40 30:11 4.5 12.0 37.7 1.1 3.2 34.1 2.2 2.7 81.5 0.7 2.9 3.6 2.4 1.8 1.5 0.3 2.3 12.3
Career 590 31:53 5.5 13.4 41.0 0.7 2.2 29.6 3.3 4.5 75.0 1.2 3.3 4.5 3.3 2.3 1.6 0.4 2.4 15.0







CARRER AVERAGES OF 15 POINTS A GAME ( AGAIN ON 41 % SHOOTING )

4 1/2 REBOUNDS AND 3.3 ASSISTS


HE HAS PLAYED NEXT TO SOME OF THE BEST OFFENSIVE PLAYERS EVER ( LEBRON AND IVERSON ) AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN EASIER FOR HIM TO SCORE MORE AND GET EASIER BASKETS


I WILL GO AS FAR AS SAYING - HE SUX ! -- A HORRIBLE SHOOTER



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[wayne1218]

Have you ever seen Iverson's FG %? He must SUX too huh greek?

The NBA has had many players and some very good ones with bad FG %'s. What's your point? He also has been dropping in some really nice nights lately too with an all around game. Hughes has also been a good defensive player and he has always been a ball hawk with steals. I see many people on the net saying Hughes and this deal could push the Bulls into the playoffs. I guess i'm not alone in my thoughts.

[DDP713]

I watch a shitload of NBA basketball but i guess i need to watch more. When healthy, Hughes isn't nearly as bad as you guys make him out to be. There are many, many, more players in this league who are worse then him right now. He has always been a very good defensive player and in his last 10 games he has been healthy and averaging 20 ppg, 4.6 rebounds, 2.5 assists and 1.1 steals pg.

I would take him on my team over the "Stiffs" Cleveland got in return. The Cavs needed more scoring to go with Lebron and they just gave up a guy who has scored DD in 10 straight, is averaging 20 ppg in that stretch and even dropped a 40 point game in there and he plays defense. I've seen plenty of West and Wally in Boston and neither does anything for me. Big Ben can't score either so wtf?

Bad trade for the Cavs here and their team just got older, slower, and less potent on offense (IMO).

I agree. Larry Hughes has a bad rap because he used to jack up shots early in his career....he still shoots a lot but he's become a better overall player offensively and defensively...I've seen the Cavs play quite a bit this year and I can't tell you how many times i've confused hughes for james (maybe its because Hughes wore #32?)

this trade is just another domino effect from the celtics adding kg and ray allen and then going on that incredible run to start the season....

The trade activity has been great this year but I wouldn't be suprised if the Cavs GM has a hard time going to sleep tonight wondering if he just fucked his chances the same way we kick ourselves for making a bad fantasy league trade just to get someone we like...they also have 15 million annually going to a guy who only rebounds and plays defense...and has been doing each of those at a much lower level the last 3 years...oh and he shoots 42% from the free throw line
It would be hard for me to get excited about this addition if I was LeBron...I think that Vince Carter would've been a much better move for the Cavs to compliment LeBron's offense and passing ability...and probably could've gotten it done with gooden and newble

IMO Cleveland panicked to make a move before the deadline expired

[TheRook]

IMO Cleveland panicked to make a move before the deadline expired

Agreed 10000000000000000%

Bulls got rid of the cancer on the team which was Wallace. The only way Gooden will help is if he make Thomas better, which is doubtful.

Hughes is touch and go IMO.

Shannon Brown could get some PT and surprise some people. He's back home in Chicago which could be a plus.

I"m glad Wallace is gone...but it almost looks like we just threw up the white flag.

[wayne1218]

I agree. Larry Hughes has a bad rap because he used to jack up shots early in his career....he still shoots a lot but he's become a better overall player offensively and defensively...I've seen the Cavs play quite a bit this year and I can't tell you how many times i've confused hughes for james (maybe its because Hughes wore #32?)

this trade is just another domino effect from the celtics adding kg and ray allen and then going on that incredible run to start the season....

The trade activity has been great this year but I wouldn't be suprised if the Cavs GM has a hard time going to sleep tonight wondering if he just fucked his chances the same way we kick ourselves for making a bad fantasy league trade just to get someone we like...they also have 15 million annually going to a guy who only rebounds and plays defense...and has been doing each of those at a much lower level the last 3 years...oh and he shoots 42% from the free throw line
It would be hard for me to get excited about this addition if I was LeBron...I think that Vince Carter would've been a much better move for the Cavs to compliment LeBron's offense and passing ability...and probably could've gotten it done with gooden and newble

IMO Cleveland panicked to make a move before the deadline expired

You are right. Ben is the big name in this deal. Great, you get a 15.5 million dollar, 33 year old Center who gets 9 rebounds per game and a WHOPPING 5 POINTS PER GAME!!!

In return you get a guy who is a few million cheaper, 4 years younger, more athletic and more skilled in Hughes. If you talk about anyone in this trade who SUX ... It should be Ben Wallace, not Hughes. Chicago is laughing their asses off at the Cavs for taking Ben off their books!

[GOLDENGREEK]

Have you ever seen Iverson's FG %? He must SUX too huh greek?

The NBA has had many players and some very good ones with bad FG %'s. What's your point? He also has been dropping in some really nice nights lately too with an all around game. Hughes has also been a good defensive player and he has always been a ball hawk with steals. I see many people on the net saying Hughes and this deal could push the Bulls into the playoffs. I guess i'm not alone in my thoughts.

Your opinion and my opinion along with other members here is what counts in this thread -- who cares what those "talking head experts "are saying - they have been more wrong then right with their "expert opinions".


The bulls problems run deeper than anything a 37 % shooting ball hog can cure:

1- no inside scoring - period

2- ben gordon is too short to be a 2 - guard and shoots too much to play point - he is also a big defensive liabilty - This forces Hienrich to play and chase around the other teams off guards

3- Pax fucked up by drafting Tyrus Thomas instead of Roy or Aldridge and not trading Gordon and Thomas for Gasol last year

[GOLDENGREEK]

You are right. Ben is the big name in this deal. Great, you get a 15.5 million dollar, 33 year old Center who gets 9 rebounds per game and a WHOPPING 5 POINTS PER GAME!!!

In return you get a guy who is a few million cheaper, 4 years younger, more athletic and more skilled in Hughes. If you talk about anyone in this trade who SUX ... It should be Ben Wallace, not Hughes. Chicago is laughing their asses off at the Cavs for taking Ben off their books!

Listen Wayne I would have traded Wallace for a bag of peanuts fom the concesion stand -- I'm glad he is gone - never wanted him - never liked his time with the bulls

15 mil a year for a guy that cant score more that 5 points a game is a joke

But my case is that Larry Hughes has been talked about like he is a good player -- he isnt -- he sux -- not as bad as Wallace but he sux

and by the way so does Drew Gooden

The teams traded garbage for garbage

Delonte West sux hot ass also -- so yeah Cleve fuked themselves


Anyone know how many years are left in Hughes contract ?

[DDP713]

Greek- I believe Hughes contract expires after the 09-10 season

I agree completley that the Bulls have made bad judgements the last few years...for the Lakers to acquire Gasol at the price they did instead of the Bulls being able to add him is a joke....and they definitley dropped the ball drafting the big leaper Tyrus Thomas over quality fundamentally sound basketball players like Branden Roy And LaMarcus Aldridge

[GOLDENGREEK]

Have you ever seen Iverson's FG %? He must SUX too huh greek?

The NBA has had many players and some very good ones with bad FG %'s. What's your point? He also has been dropping in some really nice nights lately too with an all around game. Hughes has also been a good defensive player and he has always been a ball hawk with steals. I see many people on the net saying Hughes and this deal could push the Bulls into the playoffs. I guess i'm not alone in my thoughts.

AI is also a midget and put his body on the line driving to the basket -- He also dished out 7 assists a game -- and he yes he was a poor outside shooter who has a 43 % lifetime field goal %

[GOLDENGREEK]

Greek- I believe Hughes contract expires after the 09-10 season

I agree completley that the Bulls have made bad judgements the last few years...for the Lakers to acquire Gasol at the price they did instead of the Bulls being able to add him is a joke....and they definitley dropped the ball drafting the big leaper Tyrus Thomas over quality fundamentally sound basketball players like Branden Roy And LaMarcus Aldridge

UUUGGGHHHH GREAT

SO WE ADD ANOTHER SHITTY OUTSIDE SHOOTER NEXT HEINRICH - A BAD SHOOTER AND GORDON A STREAKY SHOOTER - AT LEAST DUHON IS GONE

[DDP713]

Yeah GG the Bulls are a mess! It's hard for anyone to see what the Bulls are trying to do with this team. THey have talented players but im not sure what direction their going with guys like deng, nocioni and gordon as the corner stones

[ctt8410]

I understand why Seattle made this deal because Marshall and Griffin's contracts expire in two years and Newble's expires this year.

I guess I understand from the Bulls' perspective in getting rid of Wallace and his fat contract.

I don't get it from the Cavs perspective. Unless they can genetically combine Ilgauskus and Wallace to make some super center. Smith is useless and old. Szczerbiak is one dimensional. I like West, but I don't think he can start for a team that plans on contending.

Danny Ferry made a weird call on this one. I think he just got owned by Sam Presti.

[ULikeApples]

As a lifelong Cavs fan, here is my two cents.

At first I was skeptical of the deal when I heard Hughes was not going to be involved. However, I really like how it ended up. Now, when healthy, their top 9 looks like this:

4/5 spots: Z, Varejo, Wallace, Joe Smith
3: LeBron
1/2: Gibson, Varejo, West, Pavlovic

That's pretty tough. They can sub in/out Z and Wallace for off/def at the end of tight games. West is a solid player who averaged 12 ppg the previous two years playing often for Boston. The problem the Cavs had was outside shooting. LeBron would get double teams and people were throwing up bricks. Wally shoots 42% from 3 and I think West shoots over 40% too. Gooden thinks he can hit turnaround 16 footers at 100% for some reason. Hughes is one of the worst shooters in the league. He has gotten worse on D from his Washington days too. He's had a lot of nagging injuries that play into that, but he is awful. Wallace's contract sucks, but at least he can play D. Hughes brought nothing to the table the past 3 years.

[ULikeApples]

Also, you know part of this reasoning was to haved Wallace guard Garnett and/or Rasheed in the playoffs. Gooden = zero D.

[GOLDENGREEK]

As a lifelong Cavs fan, here is my two cents.

At first I was skeptical of the deal when I heard Hughes was not going to be involved. However, I really like how it ended up. Now, when healthy, their top 9 looks like this:

4/5 spots: Z, Varejo, Wallace, Joe Smith
3: LeBron
1/2: Gibson, Varejo, West, Pavlovic

That's pretty tough. They can sub in/out Z and Wallace for off/def at the end of tight games. West is a solid player who averaged 12 ppg the previous two years playing often for Boston. The problem the Cavs had was outside shooting. LeBron would get double teams and people were throwing up bricks. Wally shoots 42% from 3 and I think West shoots over 40% too. Gooden thinks he can hit turnaround 16 footers at 100% for some reason. Hughes is one of the worst shooters in the league. He has gotten worse on D from his Washington days too. He's had a lot of nagging injuries that play into that, but he is awful. Wallace's contract sucks, but at least he can play D. Hughes brought nothing to the table the past 3 years.

THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!