Am I the only one?

[ChangingMyLuck3]

You're over-looking two very important factor.

First, the opposing team. The opposing team has lots to do with how a team performs. Teams are often flat. Teams are often outplayed for various reasons.

Second, sports are played by humans. Humans with emotions. Human that make mistakes. Players peak. Players slump. It's the nature of sports. It's irrational to expect players to perform at peak levels each and every game, each and every play. There's peaks and valleys in every game and every season.

GB did show up vs. Bears. They dominated the first half. They dominated most offensive stats. Total yards 439 vs. 285. Rushing yards 121 v. 82. Passing yards 318-203. You can't suggest they were a no-show that game. Turnovers and penalties killed them. Human errors. They happen.

my friend I understand everything you are presenting, I get it. Im not saying Green Bay didnt show up against the Bears but again the game is a 60 minute game. In order to win the game for most teams, a full 60 minute performance is to be expected especially when one of us puts some money on the game. We dont care about these people besides when we have money on them. The point of the Green Bay game is that whatever, they had over 400 yards, the point is they lost that game outright and they didnt cover, therefore, I have nothing positive to say. That game racked up some stats for some players and thats about it. Didnt do anything for me or anyone else that backed the Packers. Good day for Bears backers, but not those who thought they could surpass a very SUB PAR team at home with a spread of -3, and in some books -2.5. It was a dead bet.

Its like anything in life, when things dont go your way your not going to be all jolly and happy they didnt go your way your going to defend your reasoning for what happened and often times that means you're going to complain. I've been betting for a while know and I know your points are valid but a bad beat is well deserving of a complaint or two and its not like I'm talking out of my ass I'm making logical sense of the matter. It's a very bad NFL season this year and many teams are very bad and show up one week and not the other and it just seems like nobody really cares about the NFL unless your talking the two powerhouses the Colts and the Patriots. That's not fun football. Thats not how football use to be. It's not even competitive anymore like it use to be. Home field advantage plays a big goose egg role in games especially on national TV.

You can talk all you want about how teams match up differently with other teams and thats ok, I understand what you're trying to say but im also not going to let bad beats go. Cutler should have thrown to the end zone before they kicked that last field goal but instead he ran it? I dont care if your 24 or not, if your 24 and your making stupid plays like that, you dont deserve to be a starting quarterback on a NFL football team im sorry. If he threw to the endzone and completed a touchdown, we wouldnt be having this conversation right now, or maybe his other fumble at the 1, we wouldnt be having this conversation right now. If he wants to make mistakes, let him make mistakes in sub par leagues before he's ready to come up and play with the big boys. Cant teams like Denver look at this and be like, shit, our quarterback sucks, we have no shot of making the playoffs if we continue with him, let's get another quarterback or attempt to pull of a trade or grab someone from the free agent list that at least knows what their doing and can be a true leader of the team which the quarterback should be. I totally understand your point of view frank, and respect it, im just saying it from my perspective.

[frankb03]

I understand what you're trying to say but im also not going to let bad beats go.

What can you do about it? Fretting over a bad beat isn't going to change anything.

I guess we have a different outlook on games. I/We have no control over the outcome of any games. Why harp over spilled milk? When it's over it's over. I move on. You seethe. To each their own.

I also bet Denver last night. I yell and scream at the TV with the best of them. But five minutes after the game was over it was forgotten. It was ancient history as far as I was concerned.

Cappers never forget the bad beats while they never remember the lucky wins.

[frankb03]

my friend I understand everything you are presenting, I get it. Im not saying Green Bay didnt show up against the Bears but again the game is a 60 minute game. In order to win the game for most teams, a full 60 minute performance is to be expected especially when one of us puts some money on the game. We dont care about these people besides when we have money on them. The point of the Green Bay game is that whatever, they had over 400 yards, the point is they lost that game outright and they didnt cover, therefore, I have nothing positive to say. That game racked up some stats for some players and thats about it. Didnt do anything for me or anyone else that backed the Packers. Good day for Bears backers, but not those who thought they could surpass a very SUB PAR team at home with a spread of -3, and in some books -2.5. It was a dead bet.

ChangingMyLuck3, final point then I'll move on.

Based on your logic we should expect to win each and every game we bet. The better team, the favored team should win and cover every game.

I wish it was that easy.

While it was a shitty day for the bettors who backed the packers there's a group of winners that's pretty satisfied. I'm certain their perception of the game was the Bears D made some big plays causing 5 turnovers.

[jcindaville]

What can you do about it? Fretting over a bad beat isn't going to change anything.

I guess we have a different outlook on games. I/We have no control over the outcome of any games. Why harp over spilled milk? When it's over it's over. I move on. You seethe. To each their own.

I also bet Denver last night. I yell and scream at the TV with the best of them. But five minutes after the game was over it was forgotten. It was ancient history as far as I was concerned.

Cappers never forget the bad beats while they never remember the lucky wins.

I remember feeling extremely lucky to win the Boston College game on Thursday night. I also remember pushing on the under 31 1st half Fresno/Boise state game. 28 points scored in the first quarter i thought no way i can win or push this bet. That push made me happier than most wins

[frankb03]

Its like anything in life, when things dont go your way your not going to be all jolly and happy they didnt go your way your going to defend your reasoning for what happened and often times that means you're going to complain.

Once again we look at the final result differently. I lost with Denver. I take some solace with the notion that I feel I had the right side. I've been on the winning end when I was on the wrong side. Conversely, I've been on the losing end when I was on the right side.

[roccodean]

In regards to changingmyluck asking how chic beat GB:

I loved Chi in this game. I wasnt betting Chic, but betting against GB. GB had the worst running off in the league at that time and chic had the 4th best run D. Therefore the game was on Favre's shoulder and he had no int's up until this point. I knew he was good for a couple and he had 2 int's that game...and the team that wins the turnover ration wins that game 90% of the time. You can check out my website www.byeweekpicks.com for the entire writeup of this game (click week 5-not a tout i promise just post my picks here).

[Spearit]

I felt strongly about GB in this game and could not see the Denver play.
I mentioned everything in my thread to back up what I was seeing.
Frank and others saw it differently- Could it have gone either way-
Sure again we speak about the what-ifs.
Frank- you brought it up in several threads on how GB was a one dimensional team-
I spoke otherwise that this game would be different becuz of the Bye week GB had. You challenged me by saying it was mostly in the first half. Denver has the pourous running defense and it was only natural to see that GB play to Denvers weakness. I also stated about Denver not being able to score but will have plenty of yards down to the red zone area- and then a FG or nothing. I felt 3 points given was quite a nice gift.
To look at this thread and the bantering about that you and others had the right call but was somehow cheated out of your win- does a dis-service to the cappers that were on the right side and saw it coming!

[WayneChung]

the mafia rules chado never forget,you see your boy chunger stear clear of the wwf nfl !! ps-i am writing a book called "mafia rules"-i have all the games like last night on file,with the ref's names who were involved and their mafia contac,it will be bigger than "Dianetics" by L. Ron Hubbard !!

[heleanth]

the thing thats BS is how unstructured the NFL really is and how teams really do suck balls.

Green Bay the ONLY time I bet them this year was against Chicago AT Green Bay, Green Bay only favored -2.5. Explain how this bet didnt hit? Someone PLEASE explain how this bet doesnt hit... BUT... Green Bay has won EVERY other game they have played this season home/away.

Mind you... Chicago loses BIG the week before the the Detroit Lions, the FUCKING DETROIT LIONS and then the next week they beat Green Bay on the road by 7.

Now DENVER.... Denver just last week should have tits in their face for beating Pittsburgh and should have learned a thing before. This week, Pittsburgh smoked Cincinatti and was back on track, Denver loses AT HOME to Green Bay that lost AT HOME to Chicago. Football just makes absolutely no sense, it really doesnt. The true way to bet football is to put both teams in a hat, and pick from the hat and thats your pick with the points. So rediculous and thats the reason I hate football. Plus its 16 stupid weeks.

Do us Packer fans a big favor and bet on KC next week and Detroit the week after. We'll pretend like we feel sorry for you after you lose.

P.S. Sorry about your lose against the Bears.

[WayneChung]

the mafia rules chado never forget,you see your boy chunger stear clear of the wwf nfl !! ps-i am writing a book called "mafia rules"-i have all the games like last night on file,with the ref's names who were involved and their mafia contac,it will be bigger than "Dianetics" by L. Ron Hubbard !!

bump for the canada kid !! WHO LUVS U BABE ??

[tech fan]

I agree and I disagree.

In the average game there's about 120 plays. The deciding factor of a game shouldn't be determined by one play.

Here's where I disagree. There have been games where one late call has determined the outcome of the game. A Houston Oilers vs. Steelers playoff game about 20 years ago was one such game. The Oiler receiver caught a winning TD. After some discussion the refs ruled the receiver out of bounds. The receiver was clearly in bounds.

Another is Don Denkinger's incorrect safe call at first base in the 9th inning during the 1985 WS. It greatly influenced the outcome of that game.

IMO it's naive to suggest refs/umps can't determine the outcome of a game.

I UNDERSTAND 1 PLAY ESPECIALLY AT THE END OF A GAME LOOKS LIKE A REFEREE CAN CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF A GAME.POINT IS THERE WERE ALOT OF PLAYS THAT A REFEREE DID NOT THROW A FLAG ON THAT WENT FOR NOTHING.GUESS WHAT I AM SAYING IS THIS GAME WAS NOT FIXED AND CANT BLAME 1 BAD CALL ON A REF FOR THE REASON LOSING THIS GAME.NOW ON THE OTHER HAND I LOOK BACK AND WHEN I REFEREE A GAME I HAVE NEVER HELPED A TEAM WIN WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE LOST.I HAVE HOWEVER SEEN A SCORE OF 42-0 AND IN THE 4TH QUARTER UNDER A MINUTE LEFT AND THE QB IS TRYING TO PUNCH IT IN AGAIN THROWING THE BALL I ALWAYS SEE A HOLDING OR ILLEGAL MAN DOWNFIELD{EVEN IF I DONT} .THE FLAG ALWAYS COMES OUT IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.MY POINT I GUESS IS IT COULD HAVE BEEN HUMAN ERROR BUT AS FAR AS A REF COSTING DENVER THE GAME IF HE WAS IN ON THIS FIX THAN HE REALLY CUT IT VERY CLOSE YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.MAYBE IT WAS A BAD CALL BUT NO ONE I MEAN NO ONE IS 100% RIGHT.

[frankb03]

To look at this thread and the bantering about that you and others had the right call but was somehow cheated out of your win- does a dis-service to the cappers that were on the right side and saw it coming!

I never said I was cheated out of a win. If you go back and read my posts I posted there was still lots of game left even if they don't call that holding penalty.

I also said 5 minutes after the game it was ancient history.

While you and GB got the win and the cover I disagree with you that it was due to GB 'establishing' a running attack. Yes they were multi-dimensional. GB got the win due to 2 big pass plays. A costly fumble on the goal line as well as questionable play calling on Denver's last drive. That was the difference in the game.

We can agree to disagree.

[WayneChung]

the mafia rules chado never forget,you see your boy chunger stear clear of the wwf nfl !! ps-i am writing a book called "mafia rules"-i have all the games like last night on file,with the ref's names who were involved and their mafia contac,it will be bigger than "Dianetics" by L. Ron Hubbard !!

chado,the mafia had that edmunton cfl game fixed also,that line should have gone to a pick-em after bc won,got it all detailed in my book-"mafia rules" !!

[WayneChung]

chado,the mafia had that edmunton cfl game fixed also,that line should have gone to a pick-em after bc won,got it all detailed in my book-"mafia rules" !!

PS-I WILL PERSONALLY SIGN THE FIRST COPY "TO CHADO WITH LOVE CHUNGER" !!

[Spearit]

OK Frank- I merely indicate that a running game helped set up the long plays as Denver had to move up closer to the line. Peace Bro!