Get it Now before it drops more

[Dat Boi E]

good luck on tha undy, dave T!

[Kaptain]

I say a Pick em----IMO

[jmarty6969]

drive the line down fellas so i can play the over baby

[frankb03]

I'm guessing Pats -3

On Mike & Mike this morning they mentioned there's a site that has already set a line on that game. Prior to last nights game the line was:

Pats -4

[KINGNEIL]

originally quoted by dave t:

Pats are the best overall team I have seen in my lifetime. I've seen better defenses ('85 Bears, '00 Ravens) and more prolific offenses (Chargers, Bengals of the early '80's), but never have I seen a team that looks like a machine week in and week out.

I have to say there have been dozens of better defenses. They wouldn't even rank in the top 30 of all-time. They are consistently good though.

If only I could figure out how to copy and paste somebody's quote the BC way instead of right-clicking it.

Anyways, the Indi/NE game will be a pick em to 2.5 in favor of NE. That's my opinion but I don't see it happenming any other way

[frankb03]

If only I could figure out how to copy and paste somebody's quote the BC way instead of right-clicking it.

Instead of clicking on the reply button click on the Quote button on the right to the post you want to reply. That'll quote the post you're reply.

[frankb03]

Pats are the best overall team I have seen in my lifetime. I've seen better defenses ('85 Bears, '00 Ravens) and more prolific offenses (Chargers, Bengals of the early '80's), but never have I seen a team that looks like a machine week in and week out.

Don't get me wrong. I think the Pats are the best team this season. However, I wouldn't say they are the best overall team in my lifetime.

They've played and have badly beaten some VERY BAD teams. Jets at 1-6 and Dolphins at 0-7. A very bad Chargers team in week 2. They'll still beat the Charges but not 38-14 if they played now. They've also beaten some below average teams in the 2-4 Bills, 2-4 Bengals and 3-3 Browns. There's no doubt they were looking for the ATS cover vs. Browns. How many times have we seen in our lifetime a team call timeout then throw on 4th and 4 with 40 seconds remaining while leading 27-17? I can't recall a time it's has ever happened.

Yes they beat the Cowboys in Dallas but Dallas is far from the class of the NFC. Dallas has an average defense. The Giants put up 35 and were driving up and down the fields all game. Like the Pats, Dallas has beaten some very bad team including 0-7 Dolphins and Rams. They also beat the Bears, Bills and Viking. None of those teams scare anyone.

We'll get a good indication on how "great" the Pats are in two weeks. The Colts have won 3 division road games, of which 2 were vs two decent football teams. They also manhandled a decent Bucs team.

In summary, I'm not ready to anoint NE as the greatest team. Even if they go 19-0 I'm not sure they're the greatest.

[dave T]

No doubt they played weak opponents, but it amazes me that every week team's do all they can to tame the Pats and they haven't done it. Even with a weak schedule, it's still the NFL and They have DEMOLISHED 6 out of 7 of their opponents (they didn't manhandle cleveland).

In any case, I think Washington gives them a real scare this week...if that's even possible...

dt

[savage1]

The trend is your friend, and that clearly has been Pats and Over including this past weekend.
I have learned over the years that a lot more times than not it pays to go WITH the trend rather than than against it.

[dave T]

Nice afterthought savage. With that theory we could just go with the teams that covered x-number of games straight or failed to cover x-number of games straight. Capping is a complex mixture of numbers and go with/go against technical aspects. Skins were #1 in yards per pass allowed prior to the game, and the Pats, as good as they are, are human and subject to falter...especially after scoring 40+ in each of their last two games and now a home fave in a non-division game with the Colts on deck. The line dropped from 17 to 14.5, so I guess I wasn't alone. Man, them guys are good though.

dt

[dave T]

Linesmakers are treading new water with the Pats......these lines are still soft IMO....they dont even know how good they are.

Reminds me of the Rams back in 2000 when they had that great offense and pathetic defense....lines started hittng in the 60s before we saw any unders.....Pats lines might not get into the 60s because of their defense though

Only a crazy man would bet against the Pats or the Under anytime soon.

PEACE

You right Motor. Atleast you posted BEFORE the game was played. Good call.

[savage1]

Nice afterthought savage. With that theory we could just go with the teams that covered x-number of games straight or failed to cover x-number of games straight. Capping is a complex mixture of numbers and go with/go against technical aspects. Skins were #1 in yards per pass allowed prior to the game, and the Pats, as good as they are, are human and subject to falter...especially after scoring 40+ in each of their last two games and now a home fave in a non-division game with the Colts on deck. The line dropped from 17 to 14.5, so I guess I wasn't alone. Man, them guys are good though.

dt

Sorry-I disagree.
I saw plenty of folks posting plays going against the Colorado Rockies night after night during the 21-1 run figuring they were due to lose.
You are entitled to your opinion, but I maintain going against streaks is generally not a good thing.
The fact dropped from 17 to 14.5(actually I got 14) for me was an opportunity for me to play New England figuring that as usual the big unwarranted moves were wrong.
ps Even though I didn't play the game at all, I was astounded at how many people had big LOSING plays on a WINLESS team like St. louis to cover against Cleveland on Sunday getting a lousy 3 points.

[savage1]

ps-Dave-Lets put it this way:
If over time this style of betting works for you, then fine and go with it.
For me anyways I have had bad luck going against trends and streaks and now either go WITH the streak or pass ESPECIALLY when there is big action "adjusting" the line betting AGAINST the trend like with case on Sunday with Washington and the UNDER.

[frankb03]

Already down to 48.5 at some sites.

If the games plays UNDER it'll be from a lack of Redskins scoring and not from the Skins slowing down the Pats offense. I doubt Skins hold the Pats under 30.

The Vegas projected score 32.5 - 16

I have more faith in the Pats exceeding 32 points than the Skins exceeding 16.

gl with the UNDER

The game played pretty much how I figured. Skins failed to exceed their projected points.

This past Sunday confirmed what I've been saying all season. The Skins are not a very good football team. All I hear about is their defense. They haven't faced any offensive juggernauts. The Giants scored 21 in the 2nd half. They're not much better on offense. The Dolphins scored more points than the Skins.

[frankb03]

I maintain going against streaks is generally not a good thing.

I agree in baseball. I disagree in football. Mostly because the NFL season is very short with only 16 games. Each game has playoff implications.