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Originally posted by Three JackSorry, I misinterpreted your oroginal post...I wasn't debating who is the better team and whose future is more bright as that, an I agree, is a no brainer. I only disagreed about who was the better offensive team. If you were to just compare teams, the 2004 team versus 2007 from April - Oct and forget about past, future, and injuries just team versus team, I would take the 2004 as an offensive lineup...not for their defense, not for their pitching and certainly not for their future. You have to be an idiot to suggest that Ellsbury doesn't have more of an upside than Damon did in '04...but, as you know, Damon produced huge numbers in '04 and the centerfield position did not produce that this year.
The way I look at it, hitting only and just and what they did for that one year:
'04 Manny versus '07 Manny..............'04 Manny
Damon versus Crisp/Ellsbury..............Damon
Nixon/Millar/Kapler versus Drew.........'04 team
Mueller/Youk versus Lowell...............Lowell
Cabrera/Nomah/Reese versus Lugo....'04 team
Bellhorn versus Pedroia....................Pedroia
Mietkewicz/Millar versus Youk...........Youk
'04 Papi versus '07 Papi....................'04 Papi
'04 Varitek versus '07 Varitek............'04 varitek
'04 Bench versus '07 Bench..............'04 Bench
They had some good hitters off the bench in '04. This years bench was pretty bleak (Cash, Mirabelli, Hinske, Wily Mo, Kielty) but had a couple of huge/timely hits.
How about this though(and I know it is silly);
Think for a minute if you could take the years Manny, Ortiz and Varitek had in 2004 and "trade" them for their years in 2007, get back Cabrera to replace Lugo and then throw in a healthy Pedro Martinez(of 2004) and Derek Lowe to the piching staff, I think the team might be "slightly" improved.
That being said, the issue is moot because each team won the big prize and that is all that matters!
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Originally posted by wayne1218I'll be rooting buddy and i mean that. If the Red Sox don't win it, my 2nd choice will always be the Braves!Questions, comments, complaints:
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Originally posted by JMR58Go Sox....
I think the Celtics gave up too much for KG...
Originally posted by thesandmanAs soon as I heard the Garnett trade was close to happening, I went to play a future on Boston to win the East before the odds changed. Guess I was too late. They were already favored at 5-2.
Originally posted by TMAC951Its funny how one player can make Celtic fans think they are automatic contenders for a title Have you forgotten a few teams that you will have to get by just to make it to the finals?? Cleveland,Detroit,Chicago,Miami,New Jersey. And then when or IF you do make the finals there will be a few teams waiting for ya.. Phoenix,Spurs,Mavs. Maybe boston will make the playoffs but IMHO saying Boston is a automatic contender for even the Eastern Conference Title is a far stretch.. Not being a hater just being real..
Originally posted by TMAC951Why give props when i think they gave 2 much for 1 player.. have you realized how much Boston has given up just for Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett?? Lets take a look:
Wally Szerbick (Or however the hell you spell it)
Future 2nd Round Pick
Delonto West
5th pick in this years 1st rd jeff green
telfair
ratliff
jefferson
gerald green
future 1st rd pick
another future 1st round pick
Maybe im missing a couple in there as well.. Now honestly tell me dont you think all of that is too much for 2 players??
Aside from Jefferson, what did they give up again?
This thread wasn't as far fetched as some thought. Call me a homer all you want like some did but in reality, i wasn't too far off base. The Red Sox win the WS, The Patriots go (16-0) only to lose in the SB and the Celtics have the best record in the NBA and they too are going to the finals. Win or lose, 3 appearances in the finals and a minimum of 1 Title isn't too bad huh?
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Originally posted by wayne1218It looks like a much better trade now buddy!
5-2 odds would have still been a nice payout tonight!
Cleveland CHECK, Detroit CHECK. I think Miami and N.J. were real big contenders. What about the Lakers in the West douchebag? Nice calls!
Yes, those guys were all great!
Aside from Jefferson, what did they give up again?
This thread wasn't as far fetched as some thought. Call me a homer all you want like some did but in reality, i wasn't too far off base. The Red Sox win the WS, The Patriots go (16-0) only to lose in the SB and the Celtics have the best record in the NBA and they too are going to the finals. Win or lose, 3 appearances in the finals and a minimum of 1 Title isn't too bad huh?
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Originally posted by wayne1218Let's see ...
SPLASH!!!
The Patriots sign Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Donte' Stallworth and Adalius Thomas!
SPLASH!!!
The Red Sox sign Matsuzaka!
SPLASH!!!
The Celtics make 2 trades and get Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett to go with Pierce!
Yup ... Maybe none of them win a Title but at least "CHOWD NATION" is having some fun right now!
Let's hear it haters!
Well this thread is officially "In the Books" and all 3 Season's are now over. I won't bother bumping or quoting all the people who called me a "Homer" or told me how "annoying" i was in this thread but guess what? I'm going to annoy you one more time.
Yes, i am a "Homer" with my teams but maybe this time i was also DEAD ON with my assessment too. I could have been a fan of any team and posted this thread. If i wasn't a N.E. fan, people would say great call. Since i am, it was thought of as me just being a Homer.
Guess What ??? ......
Celtics ... SPLASH!!! Title
Red Sox ... SPLASH!!! Title
Patriots ... SPLASH (sorta) ... As disappointing as the final game was, it will always be one of my favorite and most memorable Season's ever. Moss and Brady each set bigtime records and N.E. had the 1st (16-0) season ever, falling short in the Bowl.
I'll take 2 Titles and a loss in the Title game. Hell, the Bruins even made the playoffs again (Finally). I guess all annoyed with Chowd Nation than (A year ago), must be even more annoyed today huh?
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