Steroids Catching Up To Your Ass!! Bonds Is Scratched From Tonights Lineup..

[Tinman1960]

Tmac:

Why blast Barry so much when you back up Clemens? Before you go on a tirade, Bonds has never been linked to roids (by solid proof other than speculation) like Clemens, but kind of funny that a guy is better at 44 than 34 like Clemens...neither have been caught...but the point is why point fingers when your idol/savior (whatever you called him earlier in the year) is potentially as guilty...

and no, i hate barry, but as a dodgers fan...

just out of curiousity, from earlier banter...clemens is 2-4 with a 4.20 era...not much of a savior...don't know about you, but i think i could have spent money a little bit better...what the hell do i know...

AND HOW MANY RUNS HAS THE YANKEES SCORED IN HIS LOSES

[Tinman1960]

That's an easy one to answer. His asshole attitude and arrogance is why he is so hated. When Clemens is getting ready for the season and working out at college's and minor league parks while talking to and helping kids out, Bonds is doing shit like he did last night in the post game interview.

Just a total prick and when you add the ex girlfriend saying he did it (i know an axe to grind right?), they wrongly thought that about Canseco too and most of that now seems real. Added to the trainer refusing to talk in prison (Why would he sit there unless he was hiding something?). Add the Admitted USING of the clear that put 2 others in the pen (For talking), and add the steroid like attitude towards the world and it is sooooooo easy to hate him for many.

[thaikarate1]

That's an easy one to answer. His asshole attitude and arrogance is why he is so hated. When Clemens is getting ready for the season and working out at college's and minor league parks while talking to and helping kids out, Bonds is doing shit like he did last night in the post game interview.

Just a total prick and when you add the ex girlfriend saying he did it (i know an axe to grind right?), they wrongly thought that about Canseco too and most of that now seems real. Added to the trainer refusing to talk in prison (Why would he sit there unless he was hiding something?). Add the Admitted USING of the clear that put 2 others in the pen (For talking), and add the steroid like attitude towards the world and it is sooooooo easy to hate him for many.

Didn't his shoe size went from like a 12 to like a 16 or something?

[Kaptain]

All-Time Batting Average Leaders
RK PLAYER YEAR G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS BA
1 Ty Cobb, DET 1915 156 563 144 208 31 13 3 99 118 43 96 38 .369
2 Benny Kauff, BRO 1915 136 483 92 165 23 11 12 83 85 50 55 -- .342
3 Eddie Collins, CHI 1915 155 521 118 173 22 10 4 77 119 27 46 30 .332
4 Tris Speaker, BOS 1915 150 547 108 176 25 12 0 69 81 14 29 25 .322
5 Larry Doyle, NY 1915 150 591 86 189 40 10 4 70 32 28 22 18 .320
6 Fred Luderus, PHI 1915 141 499 55 157 36 7 7 62 42 36 9 7 .315
7 Ed Konetchy, PIT 1915 152 576 79 181 31 18 10 93 41 52 27 -- .314
8 Max Flack, CHI 1915 141 523 88 164 20 14 3 45 40 21 37 -- .314
9 Bobby Veach, DET 1915 152 569 81 178 40 10 3 112 68 43 16 19 .313
10 Vin Campbell, NEW 1915 127 525 78 163 18 10 1 44 29 35 24 -- .310
11 Joe Jackson, CHI/CLE 1915 128 461 63 142 20 14 5 81 52 23 16 20 .308
12 Steve Evans, BAL/BRO 1915 151 556 94 171 34 10 4 67 63 56 15 -- .308
13 Tommy Griffith, CIN 1915 160 583 59 179 31 16 4 85 41 34 6 24 .307
14 Bill Hinchman, PIT 1915 156 577 72 177 33 14 5 77 48 75 17 17 .307
15 Les Mann, CHI 1915 135 470 74 144 12 19 4 58 36 40 18 -- .306
16 Ward Miller, STL 1915 154 536 80 164 19 9 1 63 79 39 33 -- .306
17 Jake Daubert, BRO 1915 150 544 62 164 21 8 2 47 57 48 11 13 .301
18 Sam Crawford, DET 1915 156 612 81 183 31 19 4 112 66 29 24 14 .299
19 Fred Merkle, NY 1915 140 505 52 151 25 3 4 62 36 39 20 15 .299
20 Frank Snyder, STL 1915 144 473 41 141 22 7 2 55 39 49 3 6 .298
21 Edd Roush, NEW 1915 145 551 73 164 20 11 3 60 38 25 28 -- .298
22 Amos Strunk, PHI 1915 132 485 76 144 28 16 1 45 56 45 17 19 .297
23 Jack Tobin, STL 1915 158 625 92 184 26 13 6 51 68 42 31 -- .294
24 Dave Robertson, NY 1915 141 544 72 160 17 10 3 58 22 52 22 10 .294
25 Claude Cooper, BRO 1915 153 527 75 155 26 12 2 63 77 78 31 -- .294
26 Jim Kelly, PIT 1915 148 524 68 154 12 17 4 50 35 46 38 -- .294
27 Tom Long, STL 1915 140 507 61 149 21 25 2 61 31 50 19 15 .294
28 Jack Dalton, BUF 1915 132 437 68 128 17 3 2 46 50 38 28 -- .293
29 Hal Chase, BUF 1915 145 567 85 165 31 10 17 89 20 50 23 -- .291
30 Duffy Lewis, BOS 1915 152 557 69 162 31 7 2 76 45 63 14 7 .291
31 Chick Gandil, WAS 1915 136 485 53 141 20 15 2 64 29 33 20 13 .291
32 Del Pratt, STL 1915 159 602 61 175 31 11 3 78 26 43 32 23 .291
33 Al Wickland, CHI/PIT 1915 140 475 74 138 14 10 2 35 65 58 26 -- .291
34 Heinie Groh, CIN 1915 160 587 72 170 32 9 3 50 50 33 12 17 .290
35 Clyde Milan, WAS 1915 153 573 83 165 13 7 2 66 53 32 40 19 .288
36 Bob Fisher, CHI 1915 147 568 70 163 22 5 5 53 30 51 9 20 .287
37 Dutch Zwilling, CHI 1915 150 548 65 157 32 7 13 94 67 65 24 -- .287
38 Babe Borton, STL 1915 159 549 97 157 20 14 3 83 92 64 17 -- .286
39 Gavvy Cravath, PHI 1915 150 522 89 149 31 7 24 115 86 77 11 9 .285
40 Burt Shotton, STL 1915 156 559 93 158 18 11 1 30 118 62 43 32 .283
41 Baldy Louden, BUF 1915 141 469 67 132 18 5 4 48 64 45 30 -- .281
42 Al Shaw, KC 1915 132 448 67 126 22 10 6 67 46 45 15 -- .281
43 Fritz Maisel, NY 1915 135 530 77 149 16 6 4 46 48 35 51 12 .281
44 Bobby Vaughn, STL 1915 144 521 69 146 19 9 0 32 58 38 24 -- .280
45 Mike Mowrey, PIT 1915 151 521 56 146 26 6 1 49 66 39 40 -- .280
46 Sherry Magee, BOS 1915 156 571 72 160 34 12 2 87 54 39 15 12 .280
47 Nap Lajoie, PHI 1915 129 490 40 137 24 5 1 61 11 16 10 6 .280
48 Rebel Oakes, PIT 1915 153 580 55 161 24 5 0 82 37 19 21 -- .278
49 Eddie Foster, WAS 1915 154 618 75 170 25 10 0 52 48 30 20 6 .275
50 Eddie Murphy, CHI/PHI 1915 138 533 88 146 14 9 0 43 68 27 33 15 .274
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Notes:


Muscleman----these are the top hitters in 1915, when the ball was soft like a fvkn sock, original wood bats, no cork or fancy trim/shapes, just wood, lots of the Parks had no fences......

They had some pretty damn good pitchers also in that time........No steroids, just beer bellies, hangovers, and they played cause they loved the game, and it wasn't full of EGOS.....

You can't compare old days to modern days, as it's been tried before.......But to try and say they weren't any good, and a novice could make the Majors in 1915, is a ridiculous statement....kapt

[Kaptain]

All-Time Batting Average Leaders
RK PLAYER YEAR G GS CG SH IP H ER BB SO W L SV ERA
1 Pete Alexander, Phi 1915 49 42 36 12 376.1 253 51 64 241 31 10 3 1.22
2 Walter Johnson, Was 1915 47 39 35 7 336.2 258 58 56 203 27 13 4 1.55
3 George McConnell, Chi 1915 44 35 23 4 303.0 262 74 89 151 25 10 1 2.20
4 Red Faber, Chi 1915 50 32 21 2 299.2 264 85 99 182 24 14 2 2.55
5 Hooks Dauss, Det 1915 46 35 27 1 309.2 261 86 115 132 24 13 2 2.50
6 Jim Scott, Chi 1915 48 35 23 7 296.1 256 67 78 120 24 11 2 2.04
7 Frank Allen, Pit 1915 41 37 24 6 283.1 230 79 100 127 23 13 0 2.51
8 Dave Davenport, StL 1915 55 46 30 10 392.2 300 96 96 229 22 18 1 2.20
9 Harry Coveleski, Det 1915 50 38 20 1 312.2 271 85 87 150 22 13 4 2.45
10 Dick Rudolph, Bos 1915 44 43 30 3 341.1 304 90 64 147 22 19 1 2.37
11 Nick Cullop, KC 1915 44 36 22 3 302.1 278 82 67 111 22 11 2 2.44
12 Al Mamaux, Pit 1915 38 31 17 8 251.2 182 57 96 152 21 8 0 2.04
13 Eddie Plank, StL 1915 42 31 23 6 268.1 212 62 54 147 21 11 3 2.08
14 Erskine Mayer, Phi 1915 43 33 20 2 274.2 240 72 59 114 21 15 2 2.36
15 Al Schulz, Buf 1915 42 38 25 5 309.2 264 106 149 160 21 14 0 3.08
16 Doc Crandall, StL 1915 51 33 22 4 312.2 307 90 77 117 21 15 1 2.59
17 Ed Reulbach, New 1915 33 30 23 4 270.0 233 67 69 117 21 10 1 2.23
18 Hippo Vaughn, Chi 1915 41 34 18 4 269.2 240 86 77 148 20 12 1 2.87
19 Gene Packard, KC 1915 42 31 21 5 281.2 250 84 74 108 20 12 2 2.68
20 Ernie Shore, Bos 1915 38 32 17 4 247.0 207 45 66 102 19 8 0 1.64
21 Rube Foster, Bos 1915 37 33 21 5 255.1 217 60 86 82 19 8 1 2.12
22 Fred Anderson, Buf 1915 36 28 14 5 240.0 192 67 72 142 19 13 0 2.51
23 Jeff Tesreau, NY 1915 43 38 24 8 306.0 235 78 75 176 19 16 3 2.29
24 Ray Caldwell, NY 1915 36 35 31 3 305.0 266 98 107 130 19 16 0 2.89
25 Jeff Pfeffer, Bro 1915 40 34 26 6 291.2 243 68 76 84 19 14 3 2.10
26 Carl Weilman, StL 1915 47 31 19 3 295.2 240 77 83 125 18 19 4 2.34
27 Elmer Knetzer, Pit 1915 41 33 22 3 279.0 256 80 89 120 18 14 3 2.58
28 Gene Dale, Cin 1915 49 35 20 4 296.2 256 81 107 104 18 17 3 2.46
29 Ray Fisher, NY 1915 30 28 20 4 247.2 219 58 62 97 18 11 0 2.11
30 Babe Ruth, Bos 1915 32 28 16 1 217.2 166 59 85 112 18 8 0 2.44
31 Pat Ragan, Bos/Bro 1915 38 26 13 3 246.2 219 64 67 88 17 12 0 2.34
32 Jean Dubuc, Det 1915 39 33 22 5 258.0 231 92 88 74 17 12 2 3.21
33 Mordecai Brown, Chi 1915 35 25 17 3 236.1 189 55 64 95 17 8 4 2.09
34 Fred Toney, Cin 1915 36 23 18 6 222.2 160 39 73 108 17 6 2 1.58
35 Chief Johnson, KC 1915 46 34 19 4 281.1 253 86 71 118 17 17 2 2.75
36 Clint Rogge, Pit 1915 37 31 17 5 254.1 240 72 93 93 17 11 0 2.55
37 Bert Gallia, Was 1915 43 29 14 3 259.2 220 66 64 130 17 11 1 2.29
38 Claude Hendrix, Chi 1915 40 31 26 5 285.0 256 95 84 107 16 15 4 3.00
39 Guy Morton, Cle 1915 34 27 15 6 240.0 189 57 60 134 16 15 1 2.14
40 Tom Hughes, Bos 1915 50 25 17 4 280.1 208 66 58 171 16 14 9 2.12
41 Hugh Bedient, Buf 1915 53 30 16 2 269.1 284 95 69 106 16 18 10 3.18
42 Bob Harmon, Pit 1915 37 32 25 5 269.2 242 75 62 86 16 17 1 2.50
43 Bill Doak, StL 1915 38 36 19 3 276.0 263 81 85 124 16 18 1 2.64
44 Joe Wood, Bos 1915 25 16 10 3 157.1 120 26 44 63 15 5 2 1.49
45 George Kaiserling, New 1915 41 29 16 5 261.1 246 65 73 75 15 15 2 2.24
46 Dutch Leonard, Bos 1915 32 21 10 2 183.1 130 48 67 116 15 7 0 2.36
47 Earl Moseley, New 1915 38 32 22 5 268.0 222 57 99 142 15 15 1 1.91
48 Jack Coombs, Bro 1915 29 24 17 2 195.2 166 56 91 56 15 10 0 2.58
49 Joe Benz, Chi 1915 39 28 17 2 238.1 209 56 43 81 15 11 0 2.12
50 Pete Schneider, Cin 1915 48 35 16 5 275.2 254 76 104 108 14 19 2 2.48
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Notes:

Muscleman

Here's a list of the terrible ass Pitchers......

1915----No juiced balls, no cork bats, and most importantly, no steroids......Just men playing a kids game, and loving it....

You'll never see these days again, they're gone, so let's try and keep em in the proper perspective.........

[Kaptain]

They also had no such thing as early relievers, middle relievers, late relievers, and closers in those days....

On one day in a doubleheader, 2 men pitched both games of the double header against each other for their respective teams......They split 3-0 and 2-5..Thus both pitchers were 1-1, pitched 18 innings, and each gave up 5 runs in 18 innings....2.50 ERA.......Then went to their locker room, took their shower, and got ready for the next game.....Neither of these guys had locker room privileges like a Big TV, Double Recliners, signs saying off limits to Reporters and fans.....

In those days, they spent hours after the games, signing autographs and visiting with the fans......That's what made MLB baseball what it is today......Not the Big salaries, and steroids....kapt

[griswold]

If Babe Ruth had used steroids, he would have hit 950 home runs (based on a conservative evaluation of how Bonds numbers improved after he started using), Hank Aaron would have hit 1000 and Willie Mays would have hit 900.

I agree Bonds is not the only CURRENT user. What's wrong with denigrating all of the current users............................................. .................................................. ........including Walter Payton?

[KR-V3]

I agree Kapt & Gris...it's a crying shame what has happen to the game. I wish I could have lived during those times....simpler times. Everything so fast paced and complicated today...everybody out to make a buck. These guys won't sign unless they get paid.

[frankb03]

Tmac:

Why blast Barry so much when you back up Clemens? Before you go on a tirade, Bonds has never been linked to roids (by solid proof other than speculation) like Clemens, but kind of funny that a guy is better at 44 than 34 like Clemens...neither have been caught...but the point is why point fingers when your idol/savior (whatever you called him earlier in the year) is potentially as guilty...

I agree. I've said for years Clemens is a roid user.

[frankb03]

Come on brother. When the Babe retired in 1935 this was the career home run standings.


1-714 Ruth
2-378 Gehrig
3-302 Foxx
4-300 Hornsby
5-256 A Simmons
6-251 C Williams
7-244 H Wilson
8-242 Ott
9-232 Klein
10-218 Goslin

Gehrig ended up with 493 when he retired in 1938, 221 behind the Babe. That's 31% more than 2nd on the list for Ruth's era.

Bonds will probably end up with about 15-20% more than 2nd place for his era (ahead of Sosa), which is respectable, but nothing compared to Ruth. It's really all a moot point, as A-Rod will destroy the record and go down as the second best of all time...behind Ruth of course.

WOW great post.

In my book Ruth is and will always be the greatest