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Originally posted by wayne1218It's pretty bad when the invite to the fight comes from your son's opponent and not your son .......
no kidding....not enough cameras for all the mayweathers....they all are fucking.....look at me....look at me......garbage family.....hope floyd pisses his money away
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Originally posted by wayne1218Oscar now 3-3 in his last 6 fights = Washed up. Retire now before you ruin your legacy!
3 of his last 3 he lost were to the top pound for pound guys,......hopkins,floyd. & sugar shane...nothing to be ashamed of....
he never lost to a marginal fighter....all losses to great not good fighters and he actually beat trinidad....
Shane - 2 L's
Hopkins - 1 L
Floyd - 1 L
Trinidad - 1L
not too bad
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Originally posted by TwoTonTony3 of his last 3 he lost were to the top pound for pound guys,......hopkins,floyd. & sugar shane...nothing to be ashamed of....
he never lost to a marginal fighter....all losses to great not good fighters and he actually beat trinidad....
Shane - 2 L's
Hopkins - 1 L
Floyd - 1 L
Trinidad - 1L
not too bad
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Originally posted by wayne1218IMO it doesn't matter. In his day, he was the one beating all challengers. Now, he keeps coming up short. He is not helping his record/Legacy any losing these fights. A loss is a loss (imo).
In his day??? In boxing to carve out a legacy as being the best of an era you must fight the best and he has....
He lost a split decision to pfp #1 FM
pFP #2 Bernard who was pfp #1 at the time
lost a split decision to Shane who was a PFP #1 fighter..
He destroyed mayorga.....recently who was supposed to be the best....
IMHO he is still a great fighter.....it is not like he lost to a gatti who is a B fighter....He beat europes best in sturm who was tough as hell.....
It would be like losing to Pats 31-29 2 years in a row and saying you are washed up.....
He is not aging....has not lost speed....or stamina.....just fought better guys....
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Originally posted by TwoTonTonyIn his day??? In boxing to carve out a legacy as being the best of an era you must fight the best and he has....
He lost a split decision to pfp #1 FM
pFP #2 Bernard who was pfp #1 at the time
lost a split decision to Shane who was a PFP #1 fighter..
He destroyed mayorga.....recently who was supposed to be the best....
IMHO he is still a great fighter.....it is not like he lost to a gatti who is a B fighter....He beat europes best in sturm who was tough as hell.....
It would be like losing to Pats 31-29 2 years in a row and saying you are washed up.....
He is not aging....has not lost speed....or stamina.....just fought better guys....
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Originally posted by wayne1218Like i've said SEVERAL Times tony, In My Opinion, he should have retired 6 fights ago. Personally, i used to love Oscar and think he was one of the greatest. Now, after his last few fights ... Not so much. As they say in sports, go out on top ... and he certainly isn't doing that.
this is my opinion that he wasn't done and it was time to fight those guys......I still think he is one of the greatest...How many titles?? also he has moved from class to class.....
Each of these fights were superbowls and to be 3-3 against that level is respectable.....I do not agree with going out with gas left in the tank....Who actually goes out on top and leaves a 25 million dollar payday on the table??
That is not the point i realize, but as a -200 underdog he did better than most thought....was also a huge underdog to Hopkins and about a pick em to shane....
Shane has always had his number and in boxing styles make fights and that is one that works to shane....just as vernon forrest always beats shane.....
In my mind he is not tarnished what so ever.....He fought the best....and lost split decisions.....
Not 1 of those fights did you hear anyone saying, "wow he has lost alot"...."or he is overmatched"......So to lose to the best in this sport the way he did is not as simple as w's and l's.......
If he were Ko'd or Unanimous decisioned i would agree.....but he is still Oscar
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Originally posted by TwoTonTonythis is my opinion that he wasn't done and it was time to fight those guys......I still think he is one of the greatest...How many titles?? also he has moved from class to class.....
Each of these fights were superbowls and to be 3-3 against that level is respectable.....I do not agree with going out with gas left in the tank....Who actually goes out on top and leaves a 25 million dollar payday on the table??
That is not the point i realize, but as a -200 underdog he did better than most thought....was also a huge underdog to Hopkins and about a pick em to shane....
Shane has always had his number and in boxing styles make fights and that is one that works to shane....just as vernon forrest always beats shane.....
In my mind he is not tarnished what so ever.....He fought the best....and lost split decisions.....
Not 1 of those fights did you hear anyone saying, "wow he has lost alot"...."or he is overmatched"......So to lose to the best in this sport the way he did is not as simple as w's and l's.......
If he were Ko'd or Unanimous decisioned i would agree.....but he is still Oscar
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Originally posted by wayne1218No, he had more chances. He simply lost the fights!
let me see if i remember
campos tko
vargas tko
hopkins lost by ko
mayorga ko
sturm won by decision
mosley lost split decision
floyd lost split decision
not one loss to less than an A+ fighterLast edited by TwoTonTony; 05-06-2007, 01:13 AM.
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