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[wayne1218]

sorry Wayne, but if you don't even win your conference, how can you play for the National Championship? I'll keep saying it until someone can tell my why they derserve it.

I'll answer it another way too. In CBB plenty of teams who didn't win their Conference Title have played in and Won the Title game. There have also been times when teams from the same conference met in the Title game

College Baseball and their World series can say the same exact thing that basketball does.

College hockey? Same thing. Non Conference winning teams who played in and Won Title games and once again, 2 teams from the same conference have played each other in that game.

Now you tell me, why can't a 1 Loss Michigan or OSU play in the title game. I've answered your question twice, now answer mine please.

[10DimeBry]

IMO mich is highly overrated. OSU should roll them

mich let balls state drop 30 on them. Ualbany football wouldnt allow 30 to balls state.

[10DimeBry]

I'll answer it another way too. In CBB plenty of teams who didn't win their Conference Title have played in and Won the Title game. There have also been times when teams from the same conference met in the Title game

College Baseball and their World series can say the same exact thing that basketball does.

College hockey? Same thing. Non Conference winning teams who played in and Won Title games and once again, 2 teams from the same conference have played each other in that game.

Now you tell me, why can't a 1 Loss Michigan or OSU play in the title game. I've answered your question twice, now answer mine please.

wayne,

i understand what you are saying. But all the above mentioned sports have playoff system. football doesnt. so to me W/L should weigh heavily......i mean in reality what else do you have??? the rest is all shades of grey IMO

[wayne1218]

yes, the 2 best teams can be from the same conf, but:

1) when one of these teams loses, how can they be considered the 2nd best team in the nation when there are other teams that are undefeated and more with 1 loss,

2) I know it's happened, but you shouldn't be able to lose your last game of the year and play in the BCS title game, and

3) if OSU beats Michigan or vice versa, and then they play in the BCS title game and the other team wins, how can you claim a real national champion considering each team beat each other?

Plenty of CBB, College Baseball and College Hockey teams have lost their last game in the conference tourney and went on to win the National Title in the Post season. Why shouldn't be allowed in CFB Jimmy?

[LVJimmy]

I'll answer it another way too. In CBB plenty of teams who didn't win their Conference Title have played in and Won the Title game. There have also been times when teams from the same conference met in the Title game

College Baseball and their World series can say the same exact thing that basketball does.

College hockey? Same thing. Non Conference winning teams who played in and Won Title games and once again, 2 teams from the same conference have played each other in that game.

Now you tell me, why can't a 1 Loss Michigan or OSU play in the title game. I've answered your question twice, now answer mine please.

dude, in CBB, teams have to win 5 games IN THE TOURNEY to make it to the tile game...in CBaseBall, they have to make it to the WS and then still make it to the title game...college hockey, don't they have to make it to the Frozen Four?

YOU CAN'T COMPARE CFB TO THESE SPORTS FOR THE EXACT REASON THAT DIMER SAID

[wayne1218]

wayne,

i understand what you are saying. But all the above mentioned sports have playoff system. football doesnt. so to me W/L should weigh heavily......i mean in reality what else do you have??? the rest is all shades of grey IMO

I understand it's done by human element and not a playoff but does it mean his mentality of eliminating the whole conference the number one team comes from is correct? No way, it's absurd to be honest and my example showed it happens everywhere else. Why should we eliminate it in CFB? Just because we can? That's stupid.

[LVJimmy]

Plenty of CBB, College Baseball and College Hockey teams have lost their last game in the conference tourney and went on to win the National Title in the Post season. Why shouldn't be allowed in CFB Jimmy?

Those sports have a playoff...CFB doesn't...if you make it on those sports, you definitely deserve it...if you lose your last game in those sports, YOU DON'T MAKE IT TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME...same should be said for CFB

[10DimeBry]

I understand it's done by human element and not a playoff but does it mean his mentality of eliminating the whole conference the number one team comes from is correct? No way, it's absurd to be honest and my example showed it happens everywhere else. Why should we eliminate it in CFB? Just because we can? That's stupid.

no if all teams considered have a loss and everything is equal i agree. but IMO if rutgers runs the table then OSU/mich loser is out. winner of OSU/mich has to play rutgers. both are undefeated.

[wayne1218]

IMO mich is highly overrated. OSU should roll them

mich let balls state drop 30 on them. Ualbany football wouldnt allow 30 to balls state.

What if Michigan loses a close game? ... Cuz i can give plenty of examples of the 4-5 teams behind them that have looked awful at times this year too!

[10DimeBry]

What if Michigan loses a close game? ... Cuz i can give plenty of examples of the 4-5 teams behind them that have looked awful at times this year too!

if they lose a close game they are out. A loss is a loss. it counts equally regardless if you lose on a last second FG or you lose by 40. now if all teams have 1 loss each. then IMO you can look @ how close the loss is. My point on this is only if rutgers wins out.
IMO their is no way possible to leave them out of the BCS title game. they play the OSU/mich winner.

[wayne1218]

no if all teams considered have a loss and everything is equal i agree. but IMO if rutgers runs the table then OSU/mich loser is out. winner of OSU/mich has to play rutgers. both are undefeated.

Well if just being undefeated matters, it should be Rutgers vs Boise St

If you are going to bring in Strength of schedule than neither team deserves the bid over other one loss teams. You can't control conference games but you can control out of conference and Rutgers playing N.C., Illinois, Ohio & Howard doesn't cut it. A win over Navy is all they got.

[10DimeBry]

Well if just being undefeated matters, it should be Rutgers vs Boise St

If you are going to bring in Strength of schedule than neither team deserves the bid over other one loss teams. You can't control conference games but you can control out of conference and Rutgers playing N.C., Illinois, Ohio & Howard doesn't cut it. A win over Navy is all they got.

boise st isnt in a BCS conference though.


and to top it off. Rutgers goes undefeated, they will have beaten L'ville ranked#3, steam rolled navy, and will have defeated WVA who would be in top 10. IMO that merrits BCS title game. if they win out. Again. from my perspective W/L should count most. I mean in reality what else do we have???
the rest we could argue over all nite long

[wayne1218]

Bry, I really think the Rutgers talk will pass after the W.V. game that i think they will lose. If that does happen, then what?

[10DimeBry]

Bry, I really think the Rutgers talk will pass after the W.V. game that i think they will lose. If that does happen, then what?

then winner of OSU/mich game is obviously in.


then the discussion of best 1 loss team would come into play.

i honestly think WVA will beat rutgers as well. basically this system they have sucks. BCS or coaches poll or AP or whatever.
bottom line.......without a playoff people could make arguements for 5 or 6 teams and that is problem

[bigjimt]

Do you know how long I've been waiting to even have Rutgers be involved in this type of discussion?

Now for my $0.02 from a Rutgers based perspective.

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RU's avg computer rank is #2

What RU needs to take another trip to Arizona:

11/18

1) Ohio State beats Michigan (I fear that OSU w/ 1 loss could still be ahead of us). Bye Bye Michigan.

2) Cal beats USC at home. Bye-Bye USC

3) RU beats Cincy

11/24

1) LSU beats Arkansas at Arkansas. Bye-Bye Arkansas

11/25

1) USC beats Notre Dame at home. Bye-Bye Notre Dame

2) RU beats Syracuse

12/2

1) RU wins at WVU (I realize this will be a monumental task, and believe me, it would probably take a perfectly played game combined witha bit of luck to miraculously get this done).

2) Arkansas beats Florida in the SEC championship. Bye-Bye Florida.

All of these are very possible. And I think the stars are aligning themselves right as we have so many of these teams that will play each other or still have to play quality teams. I think the games to worry about are (obviously RU beating WVU) Arkansas at home vs LSU. Arkansas looks pretty good. And USC at Cal. As USC looked good in that 4th Quarter yesterday. But I think Cal will knock them off.


GO RUTGERS!!!